>> Call the meeting to order. Mrs. Thompson will you please call the roll? >> Dr. Mann >> Present. >> Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> Present. >> Dr. Rey Castro. >> Present. >> Mr. Baum. Mr. Martin. Mr. Thomson. Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> Present. >> Mr. Abadia. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Is there anyone present who would like to address the Board on any closed session item? If not, the Board will adjourn into closed session. A Government Code 54957 Employee Discipline, Dismissal, Release; Government Code 54957 Public Employee Appointment; Government Code 54957.6 Labor Negotiations; and Government Code 54957 Public Employee Evaluation of Superintendent/President. And we will reconvene at 7 o'clock. So those of you who are here, you might wanna go across the street and get a burger or something, we'll be back at 7. >> Or a vegetarian snack. >> Hold on. >> Or a vegetarian snack. [ Laughter ] [ Silence ] >> I'd like to call--I'd like to call the meeting to order and I'd like to announce that no action was taken at closed session and Brian, would you like to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? >> Sure. [ Noise ] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [ Background Noise ] >> Okay, Dr. Perfumo, do we have any introductions? >> Not at this time. >> Okay, Public Comment on Non-Agenda Items. Well, I better, I'll read this. Members of the public may request the opportunity to address the Board regarding any item on the agenda. To do so, please complete a request to address the board form and give it to the Board Secretary prior to the deliberation of the agenda item. Individual speakers are limited to 5 minutes. Total audience participation on any agenda item is limited to 30 minutes. I don't have any speaker card for an item not on the agenda. The Brown Act prohibits the Board from discussing or taking action on any item not on the agenda, but members may make a brief comment or ask questions in response to public comments. The next item is Announcements. Faculty Senate, any announcements? >> No announcements. >> Classified Senate. >> We elected new officers to Classified Senate today and we will get the new Board put together by next month. >> Great. AS, Associated Students. >> No announcements. >> Management Associations. >> No announcements. >> Mr. Abidaba, is that correct? >> Abadia. >> Abadia, I'll get it. Alright. >> No, no, there are none. >> Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> Yes, the Change Orders Report for the Industrial Technology Building should have been printed on both sides of the pages and they weren't wasted a lot of paper. >> Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> I have announcement. I have gone green. I bought myself a Prius yesterday. [ Whistling ] [ Applause ] >> Yeah. Dr. Rey Castro. >> No announcements. >> Mr. Baum. >> Make sure you alert Seeds of Change. [ Laughter ] >> I hope someone from Seeds of Change is here. [ Howling ] [ Laughter ] >> Mr. Martin. >> No, no, no, and-- >> Wait, I'm sorry. You had an announcement? >> Just on the personal level, today is my daughter's fifth birthday so I wanted you to know that and I'm so glad to be here with all of you but I haven't mentioned it. >> Mr. Martin. Alright, the next item then is the Approval of the Minutes. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes? >> Move to approve. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> [Inaudible] are there any additions or corrections to the minutes? Dr. Rey Castro. [ Background Noise ] >> Yeah, hold on here. [ Noise ] >> On Agenda Item having to do actually with--let's see where did I do with that? Yes. Agenda Item J, the Approval of the Design Change for the Center for the Arts - the presentation with discussion and possible action, it notes that the motion and it essentially says, you know, that this was--it doesn't explain not even a brief sentence although we did have the comments that were made. I specifically stated when I voted against this motion that I was very supportive of the design and the building and the programs and that the reason I was voting no was because I was concerned that there was--we didn't have the money that that was my primary reason for voting no. And I would like that included in this comment so that it doesn't look like the no votes were against the design. >> Exactly. >> Could you--do you have that Mrs. Thompson? Could you include that, if--alright? Any other amendments? Are we ready for our vote? Student Trustee. >> Aye. >> Other Board Members, all in favor please say aye. >> Aye. >> Motion carries. Okay, the next item on the agenda is the Approval of Consent Items. >> Move approval to Consent Items. >> Second. >> Alright. Does our Student Trustee have any consent items he would like to have discussed? >> No, I do not. >> Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> Not tonight. >> Dr. Bradbury-Huang. Dr. Rey Castro. >> Yes, 3-B. >> 3-B, okay. Okay, Mr. Baum. >> None. >> Mr. Martin. >> None, thank you. >> Alright, we will then go to Item 3-B. Dr. Rey Castro. >> Yes, this particular item is an Authorization to Reimburse the Associated Students' Fund for Payments made to Game Officials and unless I overlooked it somewhere, I didn't see the actual amount to be reimbursed. >> Dr. Perfumo. >> Yes, Dr. Sugimoto, you wanna address this one? >> I apologize. I don't really know what's being reimbursed because it's not one of my agenda items. >> Okay, this was the one that we're reimbursing the Associated Students' Funds for payments to Game Officials. What we don't know-- >> I understand what the issue is. >>Okay. >> I just--maybe Scott, Dr. Thayer. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> This is about the team officials. I know the reason why we do this. >> Yeah. >> But I'm not sure of the amount. >> Can we pull this 'til--is this have to? Can we pull this or ratify it after we get the amount? >> Well, it's already--the--it's already been paid through the student fund and what it is. In order for us to pay it quickly we have done this so that the team officials would get paid so we can come back. I don't know what the amount is but certainly we can bring it back. So probably it would be better if we pull it. >> Yes. >> Pull it and bring it back-- >> It was the language from last year but we could put it and not to exceed amount if that would-- >> Dr. Rey Castro. >> I'm very uncomfortable authorizing any payment that I don't know, when I don't know the amount. >> Exactly. >> I need to see an amount, always. >> Alright, so it's at the sense of the Board that we will pull 3-B. >> Yes. >> Does the maker of the motion-- >> Yes, that's fine. >> And the seconder? >> Yes. >> Alright. Are we--is there any further discussion on the Consent Items? Student Trustee, our Advisory Vote. >> No, there are no more. >> What? >> There are no more consents. >> No. We're asking you to vote. Do you approve, yes or no? >> Aye, aye, sorry. [ Laughter ] >> Okay. Mrs. Wells--oh then well the rest of us will vote. All in favor of the Consent Items with 3-B pull say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed. Motion carries. And for all the students in the audience, we're so glad to see you all. I understand many of you are getting extra credit for coming to the meetings so we will try to explain as we go through here some of the things that we're doing. Your Student Trustee who you just elected has a vote but it's an advisory vote and that's the reason why he votes first. We--he has--he can make a motion, he can second a motion, but under California Law, he can only have an advisory vote. We've had wonderful student trustees. We respect our students and he has all the rights that he can have as a student trustee. So it's not that I'm picking on him. I'm just--that is just the way that it is set up and we ask his vote first, okay? Approval of the Consent Items and now, budget-- [ Inaudible Remark ] [ Simultaneous Talking ] [ Applause ] >> Excuse me. We will continue--we will continue with the meeting. Dr. Perfumo, Budget Update: Discussion with Possible Action. Could you begin this with your recommendation? What? >> Did we vote on the consent already? >> Did we vote? >> Yes, we did. >> Yes, she already voted on Consent Items. >> Yes, we did. Dr. Perfumo. >> Yes. You have in your folders tonight a colored packet. There are also handouts that I believe have circulated or others in the audience. I'd like to just walk you through where we are in the current '09-'10 estimated budget in terms of our revenues and expenditures and then, I'd also like to say that while we are in a clearly unhappy position of having to reduce expenditures, these cuts of course, and I know students are here to express those concerns, are coming from the state and all local community colleges are experiencing the same situation. So you'll note that for the 2009-10 revenue, we estimate 119,000,600 which includes proposed property tax and apportionment deficits and you'll recall that if property tax is low appointments are then back filled for us by the state. The estimated 2009-10 expenditures based on our '08-'09 adapted expenditure budget come to 125,300,000. The increase in the expenditures is due to step and column, insurance, longevity, all of those items that automatically increase on a year-to-year basis. That results in an estimated deficit for 2009-10 year of 5,700,000. You'll also recall and in your budget packets are the latest estimate as projected for each district in the state by the Community College League of California and tremendous cuts are being projected for our categorically funded programs. Those are our '03 fund items. That would create a huge deficit, many of those programs have permanently funded faculty, full-time faculty positions either teaching or counseling faculty in those positions. In addition, many of those are also mandated services such as our disabled student programs and services that we need to provide for any disabled students that we have as well as some of our other programs. In order to help mitigate some of those cuts, most of which recur in Dr. Sugimoto's area, we have suggested moving 2 million out of the '01 unrestricted budget into the '03 restricted budget to help back fill some of those categorically funded program areas. Matriculation is another area that is targeted by the state for very deep cuts as well. Cumulatively then that brings our entire deficit to 7.7 million. Now our Ad Hoc Budget Committee, if you turn to your golden rod sheet, the next sheet, the proposed prioritized budget reduction options for PCC, the Ad Hoc Budget Committee which is comprised of leadership from our very assured governance constituent groups and the executive committee has started with the recommendation of--here it says, offering no winter intersession. There are a few programs that we will need to offer because of the way the programs are designed and in some cases are separate accreditation with programs, our cosmetology programs, some of our allied health programs and we believe we can offer those programs over at the CEC for the winter intersession which allows us further savings of shutting down a lot of the large buildings on this campus, not having to heat, not having to clean those various classrooms. And then in addition, because we are presently 1,400 full time equivalent students above the cap that the state is currently paying us for, we would be able to right size our offerings for what the state will now be giving us funding to offer. So what we would also do is take some of the additional classes that we would have offered in winter intersession and move additional sections that we would be offering in order to meet our cap into fall semester and spring semester. And the rationale there is that more of our regular continuing students enroll in fall and spring semester classes. In our summer and winter intersessions, we have a lot of students that have come home from their 4-year university and wanna pick up extra classes here which then bumps some of our continuing students and creates a log jam for those classes. So it serves about three benefits right off the top in terms of reducing our expenditures, serving our current PCC students, putting them first, creating more sections in fall and spring semesters and then also, the second line you'll notice is our utility savings for that winter intersession of another 90,000 dollars bringing the net savings to over 4 million. You'll also recall that part of our budget strategy for this past year has been to have a selective hiring freeze. That freeze has netted a little over 2 million dollars. We would continue with those vacancies going forward for next year which would roll in another 2 million savings and of course that number would only go up as additional vacancies occur where we would be able to then continue to leave those positions hopefully vacant which would then amass additional salary savings. Trustee Wells-Miller? >> Yes, I would like to refer to the yellow sheet that you're talking about where it suggests reducing conference travel by 50 percent. >> Can we finish the report? >> Let her finish her presentation first then we'll discuss it. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay, go ahead please. >> Okay. The next item on the list is to offer employees and early retirement plan and the way the regulations around early retirement plans are structured are such that you must be able to show a net savings to the district, applied over a 3-year period. If we were in fact to implement this beginning spring semester, we would realize about a half a year savings of 165,000 dollars and that's a conservative figure there as well. And then in years 2 and 3, there'd be full year savings and in the fourth year, there'll be another first semester savings for that 3-year duration. The next item on the list is to reduce faculty release time by 50 percent, that saves another million dollars and Dr. Jacobs has been working along with Dr. Sugimoto and all of the deans who I know these cuts are really difficult for all of our academic deans and student support service deans as well. But they are looking at how to live with the DNR [phonetic] means and reduce release time to continue to offer release time in those areas that are most important to serving our students keeping to our goal to have students our top priority in all of our decisions here. The next item on the list is to reduce conference and travel by 50 percent. That line item then would drop the cost another 80,000 dollars. >> There is some essential business travel for the district that we are calling mission central business and let me just give you some examples of that. If the accrediting commission calls a meeting and asks that the accreditation liaison officer and the CEO and/or others come to a meeting to learn new regulations around distance education, they would expect that we would send people to that meeting related to our accreditation status. Sometimes commission on athletics has mandatory meetings that folks have to attend. So we would leave for the full year half that amount and all travel whether it's categorical or general fund would all be approved through the executive committee so there would be that clearinghouse. And we talked about this at the Budget Committee meeting because sometimes categorically funded programs are still allowed to travel when others aren't and that creates morale problems on the campus. So we decided as a campus-wide committee that we thought everybody's travel should be scrutinized the same way. The next area is to reduce consultants by 50 percent which brings us down another 400,000 and you'll notice right under that is a dotted line which brings the cumulative amount to 7,670,000 and if you go back to the first page, our targeted amount that we're after is 7.7 million. So that level of reductions gets us to our current target and I underscore current because as you know, the legislature fail to act last night, they will continue to be in session. We have had three different versions emailed to us just this week in terms of bills that are being considered. It will be a moving target throughout the summer. As we get more information obviously available for our district and the Chancellor's Office gives us our numbers, we will continue to adjust in order to meet what the budget will be for our college. The next item on the list is to reduce faculty overload 50 percent which is another million dollars. One of the thoughts there is that I know that the faculty has been very concerned about adjunct faculty positions in addition to being able to provide as many sections of course offerings to our students and we know that a section taught by an adjunct faculty is about half the cost as one taught by a faculty teaching overload. So that would also net us another million dollars in savings if we needed to continue to move further on down this list. The next item would be to reduce classified overtime by 50 percent, that would also net 152,240 dollars in savings, followed by reducing college assistance 50 percent, that's a half million dollars and the final two items, reducing students workers by 50 percent is another 350,000. And then it would be very, very difficult to reduce supplies by 50 percent because there are so many program areas and so many departments as you know on campus. That is a very, very meager budget for supplies to begin with. But if we had to go that deep, that would be another 750,000. These reductions alone would get us to over 10.4 million in reductions far deeper than we're being asked to go at this current juncture. Now I do want to also say that there was a state-wide teleconference with all the community college presidents and the State Chancellor's Office and to the Community College League this morning at 8. Scott Lay in particular from the league and Erik Skinner, Vice-Chancellor for Physical Services in the Chancellor's Office, both advised that they believe given the governor's and the Republican's insistence that there be no new taxes and that a complete budget package for the whole 24 billion be delivered before they consider any of the proposed bills and solutions which include funding for K-12 and community colleges. This will--they felt that we need to take a wait and see position and in their terms to lie low until we get our actual budget figures because currently, we have a strong base of support in the legislature for the community colleges and strong support from the governor. Scott Lay did say this morning and I hope all the students that are here this evening will be equally as engaged in what's happening with the state budget in the fall. He is planning a fall student rally to come to Sacramento to the state capital to tell our story and to make our needs known and the benefits of our community colleges as a system to the state capital. So that will be an organized rally that Scott Lay, who is the Chief Executive Officer of our Community College League of California working on behalf of all 110 community colleges to help keep the cuts as far away from community colleges is organizing for all of the students. So I did wanna share that information with you too as well as their advice about our watch and see position. The other items I do wanna point out besides the current budget analysis that we were given by the league for Pasadena City College. You will also note next in your packet, budget assumptions that were developed by our Resource Advisory Committee on May 27th, this spring and you will see that we have met a large majority of the budget assumptions and revenue assumptions that were recommended by our Resource Advisory Committee. You will note on page 2, we had a revenue assumption of funded enrollment growth for PCC that would be at 0.7 percent but it could approximately have been 1 to 3 percent state wide at that particular time in what the January governor's budget had told us. Since that time, all growth has been eliminated from the budget. So obviously, number 2 is unmet based on the state budget. Number 6 is the other item, ARC [phonetic] funds based on recommendations of the ARC resource advisory and the executive committees should be integrated into the general fund which includes a 500,000 set aside for innovation funds to be distributed by the vice-presidents and the president. This has partially been met and we did not do the 500,000 set aside as recommended by the RAC back in May. Then you will see the expense assumptions that the district will meet all contractual obligations, step and column, longevity, health and welfare. That's--in this budget that we have now presented to you is met. The second one, the district will contribute a minimum of 1.4 million to the retiree's health benefits fund. That is met in this current budget scenario. The third item, the district will budget for the enterprise resource program, that is met in the current budget scenario. And finally, the district will meet fiscal responsibility for all joint powers obligations and other insurances. That is also included in our current budget. So we want to assure the Board and our regular employees that all of our contractual obligations are included in this budget. The retiree health benefits fund, the ERP that we have also spent a year getting underway and our other insurance and joint power obligations. >> The final page in your packet that you will see this evening are recommended supplemental budget guidelines for the '09-'10 budget year from our campus-wide Ad Hoc Budget Committee. I want to just briefly mention these. Our civic center rentals have not been reviewed since 1992. By law, it has to be a break even enterprise so I have asked that the staff proceed to analyze our cost in this year 2009 and bring those civic center cost up to our current cost so we are not eating any expenses in this particular area. We've already mentioned the ARC fund item, that's number 2. Third, we're asking all college employees to continue fiscal prudence in addressing the current and continuing budget crisis. And fourth, budget planning and assumptions have been created to address a multiyear strategy and you'll recall the budget that was signed in February wasn't supposed to be an 18-month solution. We have now planned in a multiyear strategy to address the ongoing budget crisis in California because we've already been told to anticipate this going into the 2010-11 year. We're trying to be proactive and look into the following year as well. A revenue guideline we've added is that all employees are encourage to pursue new revenue streams including seeking new grants and expanding our contract education offerings which then allows us to increase revenues in other ways where we're having to decrease and you'll be hearing more at other meetings about our Gates grant but that is currently looking to be at least a couple million a year over a 10-year period and we look like we are well lined up and very competitive for that grant. Expenditure guidelines, there will be no transfer of salary savings dollars from permanent position vacancies to hourly accounts and that is so we can continue to realize the savings from vacancies within our budget. Number two, that all conference and travel request utilizing unrestricted and restricted will require executive community approval. Third, that limited funding for faculty substitutes will be budgeted in the vice president of instructions budget and all request for substitutes be pre-approved by Dr. Jacobs. There has been a recommendation that came from the deans as well as some of the campus forums that faculty could in fact cover one another's classes if they needed to be away for a one-day meeting or conference and the one exception would be for long term faculty substitute so, heaven forbid, if one of our full time faculty would have a serious accident, get thrown from a horse or something and we need someone for a semester, Dr. Jacobs would be the one that would oversee that budget line item. Our fourth expenditure guideline, the cost of the Board election will be budgeted at the 660,000 dollar level as required by the Los Angeles County Registrar of Voters. You'll note that that cost is much more expensive than we initially had budgeted. They just recently notified us and this is the actual amount for PCC. And finally, the completion of the educational master plan will be budgeted at 225,000 dollars. So these are as of our June 26th Ad Hoc Budget Committee and we would like to recommend this proposed prioritized budget reduction options to the Board. I need to tell you before you open to discussion the most critical item on that sheet is that first item because we are presently already at the stage of gullies for our winter intersession and we'll shortly be doing the gullies for the spring schedule because we work that far ahead on the development of our schedule of classes. So the deans of course have been working very proactively with Dr. Jacobs with both scenarios and if we are able to move some of those additional sections into fall and spring which really serve our current PCC students and all but reduced completely the winter intersection other than those mandated program areas mostly in our CTE areas then we would be able to plan accordingly. So we would like the Board's support and I am recommending the approval of this as our 2009-10 preliminary budget reductions for the district. >> Thank you, Dr. Perfumo. I think we now should hear from--we have several people who wanna speak and then after hearing all the information then the Board can begin their discussion and deliberation. Each item gets 30 minutes. I have quite a few cards here so we're going to let each speaker speak for two minutes and there may not be--some people may not get to speak. Dr. Rey Castro will time you. She will time you from the clock in the back. When your two minutes are over, she will do what? Hold up your hand? [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Oh, she'll push the-- >> Yeah, it doesn't work that way. >> No, it doesn't work that way. >> Yeah. Just release that. >> She'll push--oh, I can't do it. Okay, you'll have to hold up your hand or something. >> Yeah, I'll give them a signal. >> Give them a signal and so we will start and the first speaker I have is Kristen Orcutt, Orcutt? [ Applause ] [ Pause ] >> Please don't close the social sciences lab for the rest of the summer. If you do, I will have to drop my history class. I'm having learning disability in English and have to watch any videos more than once to understand what the videos are saying. I still have today find more social sciences classes. I will not have these classes. The first time was all set, one-on-one tutoring in the social sciences lab. [ Applause ] >> Thank you very much. [ Applause ] >> Adrian Frias. [ Applause ] [ Pause ] >> It seems kind of weird that I come up here with no trust for you people. I don't want it to be about us versus you. [ Applause ] >> We couldn't hear you. >> I have no trust for you guys. I'm sorry. It seems a lot of people here also don't have trust. And now, remember that we are the students, you were trying to help us, right? That's correct. Now, I have--there was this itemized list of what the budget is going to be. That's a good step forward. But then at the same time, you're taking 10 steps back. For one, you have reduced student workers which didn't got much into. That's a lot of people right there, they are gonna lose their jobs. That's a job lost. Reduce supplies, you said there was a meager, very low budget for that and you're already reducing it even more. Are you gonna cut toilet paper by 50 percent, hopefully less people will go to the bathroom, I don't know. [ Laughter ] >> There's so much--now all these was probably used before so that means you needed it. Now it's--now you say it's a reduced faculty overload. Now it's an overload before it wasn't. You have a lot other stuff, early retirement plan, that's interesting. Does that mean you're gonna try to push out people? Just give them this plan and say hey, you know, you can leave now. Here's a retirement plan. Is that another example? No winter session, that's also another good one. People who need to take classes like the lady just spoke, what about the people like that that need the class to be taken. Now, I came up here trying to want transparency. I want to work together, not apart, together so we can all go through this because we need to know the numbers. We need to know exact numbers. >> How come we only know about it now? How come all these problems wasn't address like maybe a month, two months before knowing that all these was gonna happen? Maybe we could've had more information out there for the people, in plain English too. Don't think that everyone just as a math major can understand it. You could have a forum for somebody to have that, to have explained those numbers. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Alesander Macias. [ Applause ] >> Good evening. My name is Alesander Macias and I have worked in the IA program for the past two years and I would fall under the category I guess of college assistant and I could tell you first hand that our mission statement for the IA program specifically was to help out those that were most, that needed the help the most in the English composition classes. So English 400 and 100 and they really did need the extra help and it really did engage us with the one-on-one instruction when they really needed it. And I've literally seen hundreds and hundreds of student that I think in all humility that I have helped out and that I have encouraged and maybe I didn't touch them all like you know, like they needed to be, you know, they need to be encouraged but even if there are four or five or six that I did help and I think I did, I think that in itself is more testament to the fact that we need more IAs. We need more people, student workers. We need more people who are encouraged and who desires and want to help out these students. Because I got in it not for myself or for financial gain but to help the students out because I was once like them. So I know that it's in your job to be pragmatic but I just want you to remember that when you're making these pragmatic decisions and when you're throwing around these millions and millions of dollars and numbers to remember the voices here and these faces and that you keep, and that that may temper your decisions. Thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Jessica Rusk followed by Whitney Benham [phonetic], so Whitney you can be ready. [ Applause ] [ Noise ] >> Good evening President Perfumo, Board of Trustees and distinguished guests and my fellow students. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to address you. My name is Jessica Rusk and I've been a PCC student since 2005 working full time most of that time so it's taken me a while. I've come here tonight to discuss with you the crucial importance of the Social Sciences Learning Center which as of today has been furloughed until further notice. I like dozens of fellow students I've had a chance to talk with since this matter started and well mad as hell and I don't intend to take it anymore. I've used Social Sciences Learning Center hundreds of times and it's provided me with videos, computer access, textbooks and tutoring all for free. Except that it wasn't really free, I as a student have paid for it and hope to continue to have that privilege in the 26 dollar unit fees, all now be paid. Why am I and students in general being penalized for the bureaucracy's fiscal mismanagement when I have agreed to pay more per unit? Where are the administrative cuts on this proposed budget? Teachers and students-- [ Applause ] >> Teachers and students have been asked to endure cutbacks on the proposed budget that the president just presented but why not the [inaudible] administration. Where are their cuts? Why would you close the Social Sciences Learning Center when there was money to give and raise to the president just this year and there exist a 20 million dollar self insurance fund that could be used? [ Applause ] >> I ask this board why they would take away my tools for success when there is money to be paid--to pay for them. Thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Whitney. And the next speaker will be Ara Noyce [phonetic] after Whitney. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Hi, I'm speaking as a student and also as a tutor in the Social Science Learning Center and I just wanna say as someone who's attendant PCC that it can be a very impersonal campus as most community colleges are when you first come here because there's a lot of students commute but I would like to say that the lab provides a place that I think a lot of people don't realize and I invite you please to come spend the day with us and then realize we not only provide tutoring services but a lot of students who come here don't come from families that necessarily support them in their educational decisions but we're here for them and we don't only tutor them in whatever subject they need help in. We're also here to be their friends and a lot of times, it's very hard to find people who understand where you're coming from when you're pursuing your education. I've worked at all sorts of menial labor jobs my whole life and I've never been in a situation like I have in the lab where I've had so much support and you really get to learn people and know their names and get to share their experiences. Even our own student trustee uses that lab, doesn't that say something? We trust his judgment. I see him in the lab all the time. So I would just like to say, I would like you all maybe if you have a chance to come and spend the day with us, talk to our students who utilize the lab because that's the best way you're gonna understand what we do and what services we provide. Just as much as we like to know what you guys are doing, we would love for you to see what we experience everyday. Thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Kelly Camacho followed by James Walker. >> No. >> Good evening everyone. Among the most primary of my concerns tonight are, for example, the fiscal disparities between the raises to managers in January and February and the decision to avoid to dipping into our campuses financial reserves in a time of economic crisis. However, money is not what brings me here tonight. As a member of an ancillary categorical and crucial member of PCC staff, I am here on behalf of the Social Sciences Learning Center which serves and supports over or at least half of PCC student body each semester. I have worked at PCC for 11 years and I'm also currently employed at Cal State L.A. as a professor and I work at UCLA as a pre-doctoral scholar, tutor and instructor. In my experience, the Social Sciences Learning Center has been the most meaningful and far reaching position I have ever held. Unfortunately, quality is much more difficult to reduce to numbers and data than quantity. However, our data alone speaks to our crucial role in terms of student success on this campus and if I'm not mistaken, that is the phrase that dominates our PR literature, KPCC's own rhetorical strategies and a reader board prominently displayed for every member of Pasadena and every commuter who uses the 134 and the 210 everyday. I'm not attempting here tonight to wade into the fiscal and political quagmires so many educational public servants occupy. I am simply here to support a cause worth preserving much more so than, for example, additional managerial salaries and further cuts to crucial services. Thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> James Walker followed by Harriet Dang [phonetic]. >> Good afternoon Board. My name is James Walker. I am a 36-year-old returning student. I left school when I was 13. This community college is my entry back into the educational world. And what I'm here to talk about is the use of the student learning centers and the labs. My first semester was the spring, I took algebra, elementary algebra because I've never learned it. I'm very fortunate and I put a lot of effort into it and I've got a good grade. But I got a good grade because the learning center was there for me. The learning center was there for me and many of my colleagues. I'm trying to emphasize this because it's not an addendum to our education. It's not something that's tacked on to the edge of going to class. It's an integral part for many of us to get through our college education and our experience. I currently use the Social Sciences Lab constantly. I'm a poli sci student right now. I just really want to emphasize that fact. I pay out of state tuition. My tuition for this semester is over 1,300 dollars. I'm not saying that entitles me to anymore than anybody else. What I'm saying is when I come in, I expect there to be the system that should be there to help and support me and get me through what is a very difficult thing for me to do at my age. That's all I have to say. >> Thank you very much. [ Applause ] >> Harriet Dang followed by Kristina Ercole. >> Hi, I'm currently a student at PCC and you mentioned earlier that for part of the reason you want to cut winter and summer sessions was because there might be a lodge between students who--between students from UC coming here to take extra classes. But I think that there are also a lot of students like me who work part time and I actually really don't like my job but part of the reason I come to school is because I wanna further my education and I want--I think that winter and summer session shouldn't be cut because there are so--a lot of students, continuing students who want to come back to school. So yeah, thank you. [ Applause ] >> Thank you. Kristina. [ Applause ] >> Albert Ngov followed by Ronda Guerra [phonetic]. >> Hello, good evening. My name is Kristina Ercole and I am a current active member of the PCC community. I was a--I am a former student and I correctly work here as a TA, no longer TA, I work as a tutor in the Social Sciences Learning Center. I have a voice for the students that have learning challenges. My voice is I would have never graduated PCC and moved on to the school of UCLA without tutoring services on campus. The Social Science Learning Center, the Math Center, I would not have passed my math courses without the tutoring. So this is very personal to me and I truly believe that the first step is to perhaps go outside and take our little flags down because it says student success. It will no longer exist on our community here are PCC. Without tutoring services I would not have graduate PCC and this is going to happen. I currently have in my hand over 350 signatures to keep the Social Science Lab active. This is just in the last day and a half. And over 150 of those student plead with keeping the lab open, keeping the tutoring services and they plead with great adamant emotion that they will not have passed their courses and they will not pass their courses without the tutoring service, without the computer services and without this inspiration and support that the lab and other labs here on campus give those students. Thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Kristina. Thank you, Kristina. Albert followed by Ronda Guerra. Albert N-G-O-V? Yes. [ Pause ] >> Hi good evening. I'm Albert Ngov, 22 years in PCC and I want to address the cuts, the class cuts and after I've heard all you say about the reduction, sorry. In reducing--class reductions and my concern is that, you know, I believe that it will be more helpful for students to stop cutting classes that the upper management and the teachers should be--not teachers, I'm sorry. That the upper management and the trustees should help the students by reducing their salary and I haven't heard any mention about reducing salaries from the upper management and from the trustees. And cutting classes is very unbeneficial to students because as a student, I wanna graduate on time and by cutting classes, I won't be able to graduate on time. It's gonna slow down students to move on to the next, two to four-year university. And President Perfumo, you say that students are top priority but cutting classes doesn't show the sincerity of your statement and I like to believe when you say that students are top priority, by cutting classes it doesn't show that way. And now PCC's enroll--it's hard to--thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Ronda Guerra followed by Adam Ark [phonetic]. Is Ronda here? Okay, Adam. Oh, are you Ronda? [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Well, I have a long list of speakers so if you're not Ronda is Adam Ark here? >> Yeah. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Alright, go ahead. [ Applause ] >> Go up to the podium and please give us your name. >> My name is Vanessa Gomez and I'm here representing all the single parents here at PCC who cannot afford Harvard, so we couldn't even afford to attend PCC if it didn't have the fee waiver or the [inaudible]. So I just wanna say that it is very unfair that we have to suffer the consequences of this crisis because we're poor. I'm sorry, I just--I'm very upset right now. I wish you would all--could understand how hard it is for me and all the single parents out there to sacrifice our children to attend 10 to 12 hours a day of study time so we could improve our lives. And it is very unfair that my dreams and the dreams of many others get shut down for money. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Adam Ark followed by Annica Carey. Is Adam here? Okay, Annica Carey followed by Roger Marheine. [ Silence ] >> My name is Annica Carey and I'm not--I've just recently become aware with all these issues and I'm not too learned on them so I just wanted learn more about them. I know that you've talked about taking away both winter and summer sessions but why not just increase tuition a little bit. I know that we are always asking for as cheap as we can get but why not increase it a little bit if we can help instead of just completely taking away all these classes that we need and also, why are we building new structures along the hill if we are such in a deficit. >> Alright, thank you. [ Applause ] >> But I have--Professor Marheine, I'd like to have Jane Hallinger next. I'll let you speak last. Jane Hallinger followed by Philip Ricards. >> Ricards. >> Ricards. [ Applause ] >> I just want to say I know we can't go back and rewrite the past but I'm saying this for the future. It wouldn't surprise anyone that morale is extremely low with the college. For year and a half we have known that the state was going into severest serious financial problems. But little has been done. However, we seemed really to like at this institution when it came to addressing probability with several contingency plans. We could have looked at various scenarios and given serious assessment of cuts that would not be done in haste when the time came and could go through a graduated process. If any of these was under discussion, the majority of the faculty had no knowledge of any planning and have been given no appraisal of possible scenarios. I don't think it would also surprise anyone to say that people are aware of--let's say that if people are aware of issues and proposed solutions, you would have a better buy in to what changes have to occur at the college. There is no buy now, only frustration and anger and despair because we don't know anything. Just a few weeks ago, at the end of the semester, two information meetings were called by the president at times when many faculty were teaching or had obligations to office hours. If the administration truly respected the faculty and wanted faculty opinions, the meetings should have been scheduled at the noon hour on days that are assigned to meetings. Not doing so, exhibits a lack of interest in the part of the administration for faculty participation in our college. The faculty that I know and talk with and work with in our programs place the students as our first concern. We have asked the Board to carefully assess reserves and place some of our student workers back into the programs that have been carefully developed to guide students to success. We need to find ways to make cuts that allow us to restore classes next year. When the economy is low is when education is most needed. As faculty, we do not want to freeze out students if there is any way we can readdress their needs to complete or begin vocational or transfer education. At Cerritos, my husband through the academic senate is leading a move to have faculty give a part of their salary each month to the school to apply it to student programs and needs. >> I respect him, however, I could not ask my faculty to do the same unless the Board and the administration would lead that movement. [ Applause ] >> You should act with support and compassion for our student needs. You should prove to the community that Pasadena City College believes its student education and involve [inaudible] words the best of all possible words--worlds. We would all clearly and openly embrace commitment to education and through individual pledges and school budgetary cuts that would establish our institution as the institution that embraces our change and our charge to education and deserves the high reputation that we enjoy in the community and the state and then our nation. [ Applause ] >> Thank you Professor Hallinger. [ Applause ] >> Philip Ricards followed by Professor Marheine. >> I'm Phil Ricards. I've been a professor of philosophy at the Social Science Department. I've been her since 1984, 10 years since 1991 and I just like to strenuously--what's the word? Object? But I encourage the Board not to consider either cancelling the winter intersession or cutting overload for faculty for--just let me speak for myself personally. I know there are other faculty who are in my position as well. I'm a single income family. I have three children at home. If the winter intersession is canceled or overload is canceled, my salary stands to go down by 15 to 30 percent. I note that that happens and you can tell that will put my family in a severe financial situation, severe one. But I don't know if we can handle it. Secondly, I also note as others have, but I see no reductions on here for managers. Thirdly, if there are gonna be reductions-- [ Applause ] >> If there are gonna be reductions, as already been mentioned, I'd like to say at least a token reduction in the [inaudible] of the Board of Trustees as well. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Professor Marheine. [ Applause ] >> Yeah. >> Good evening, members of the Board, Dr. Perfumo. I'm Roger Marheine from the English Division. I am the president of the PCC Faculty Association. I'm not speaking close enough to the microphone. We are in what one author has called a concession era. The concessions are everywhere. The unions--the auto unions, I'm from the upper midwest, it's very painful to see auto factories closed but auto unions cave in and give up their healthcare, give up their longevity, give up their single tier systems that hired workers get much less than older workers. We see non-union workers taking particular cuts across the board, especially at this campus. The nonunion workers were the first to get hit as has been very well documented. We see now students getting hit. The first time in my era, I've been here 30 years, Cal States are not taking transfer students in the open access that they have in the past. People are respondent, they are depressed, too many people have given in, they'd given up and they're basically not fighting back. We have got to reverse that. It's as simple as that. We've got to be imaginative. We've got to be proactive. We've got to be assertive as you have been tonight. And there is--I appreciate the numbers, they have finally been put forth for us and I'm not gonna critic them directly as some others have done quite eloquently. But we need a proactive and visionary model to move forward. They say cut back, we say fight back. You say cut back. [ Applause ] >> We say fight back. We can come up. We can come up with the money in the short term. Obviously, the leadership division is not coming from Washington. We shouldn't rely on some kind of hope but miniscule plan coming from Obama. The stimulus plan is not likely to be very much. We shouldn't obviously rely on Sacramento. I'm a member of the Faculty Association of California Community Colleges. That Board just met this weekend. Obviously the news is not good. On the other hand, we are Pasadena City College. As faculty, we have an obligation to our students and to our neediest workers, our most vulnerable workers, and it's very painful to see so many tutorial staff and categorical workers laid off without much discussion just abruptly as we hit the fiscal year, July 1st today. And so I would say to you, they say cut back, we must say fight back. They say cut back, we say fight back. >> Fight back. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> That--that completes all the cards I have. I will open this to the Board Members for discussion. I would like to just make three statements of fact. First of all, that the trustees of this college do not have the power to raise tuition that can only be done by the legislature. So that's something we cannot do. Secondly, the new construction is financed through bond money and that money by law can only be used for certain projects, buildings and so on. And thirdly, the trustees are not employees of the district and we are on a very small amount, we get 400 dollars a month. We might wanna considered a percentage of that but it's not going to do much addressing 7.7 million dollars. So any comments from anyone? Any--yes, Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> Yes, I would like to recommend reducing the conference travel down to just any required meeting like Dr. Perfumo said occasionally happened and I don't think we need to send 5 or 6 people to the same conference. It would be enough to have just one representative if it was required that I think all other conference travel and such should be canceled. I think that we can do without consultants as well and instead of taking-- [ Applause ] [ Cheering ] >> I have Dr. Rey Castro-- >> I have-- >> I'm sorry, I thought you were finished. Excuse me. >> No, I would like to address the comment made by the first speaker of the evening. It was very hurtful to me to hear a student say that they didn't trust the trustees. I think that's cruel and I hear no evidence by that person that would give them any grounds to say a thing like that. There's no group of people more upset about the cuts to students in this university, well, I think of it as university, PCC is the Harvard of the community colleges. Anyway, we are very upset about students struggling and are trying to do everything we possibly can to help them and we're not cutting carelessly and just slashing and without regard, believe me, we're not. So, just know that. Thank you. >> Dr. Rey Castro. >> First of all, I wanna thank all of you for being here tonight. I think it's a real testimony to the democratic process and I absolutely concur with the notion that you need to defend what is in your interest and clearly all of us here at PCC, including this Board, and think it's really important to reaffirm of the Board's commitment to this institution and to protecting our classes and the students. We have over the past year that we've seen this fiscal crisis coming, we have taken a very strong position with regard to preparing for this, making sure that we have an adequate reserve asking the administration to begin the process of looking at where we could save money, tighten our belt and to do it in a way that protects students that insulates our students and our classes and our teachers as much as possible from this crisis that we could all see coming last year. So please don't, you know, come to us with the idea that we're the new kid on the block and that we didn't see this coming and that we're not prepared. >> We are prepared, we've been preparing and there is no question that our commitment is to protecting what we do the best and that is offering an educational product, okay, that is at the highest quality in protecting our students. So you know, I think it's important for all of you to understand we're on the same side. When you say cut back, we say fight back, we say fight back too. And that's where we're coming from in terms of what we have to do. But we also have to be realists and the reality is, we have no control over the physical crisis that's coming at us from Sacramento and we have to address the cuts that are coming and we would be negligent with regard to taking care of the school, taking care of our students, taking care of our programs, if we didn't address this in a responsible way. So we're just doing our job and we're trying to do it in way that minimizes any damage to the educational product that we provide to students and our faculty and our staff and the PCC community. So please keep that in mind. The other thing that I think that I'd like to first talk about, I think that in discussing these recommendations, we should be looking at them one by one. I don't think we should be voting on this as a package and I'm also concerned that I don't see any recommendation on here for administrative cuts or managerial cuts. [ Applause ] >> I'm also going to suggest that the early retirement plan which is listed on here, which is really an item that has to be negotiated and it hasn't been discussed by the Board really be removed from the list because it's not something we can really consider at tonight's meeting anyway. It's pretty clear that whatever decisions, if we make any decisions tonight, are not going to include all or even any of these recommendations. But I do think that we need to discuss them one at a time and decide which ones we want to consider. >> I think this is-- >> Excuse me, excuse--excuse me. It's Mr. Baum, Mr. Baum and then Mr. Martin. Did I see your hand, Mr. Martin? >> No, I didn't raise my hand. >> Oh, then Mr. Baum and then Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> First of, thank you for everybody who shared your concerns too. I appreciate hearing from the students and the faculty as well. I learned a lot by hearing. I've learned some new developments that I want to discuss through the course of the evening, so I really appreciate the feedback and this is what--why we're here is to hear from the public about the decisions that we make. Yeah, I have a couple of points and I'm gonna need some clarification, Dr. Perfumo, on a few things. But also, when we did announcements, the one announcement I should have made which I don't know if everybody realizes it is that the governor declared a fiscal emergency in the State of California today. It is like a massive earthquake hit the state and we are in a state of emergency. There is no money coming from Sacramento to the college right now, and we have to address that as the trustees of this institution. That being said, my first question is on the estimated 2009-2010 revenue in the expenditures. It's my understanding that we may even have short fall of unrealized revenue from the 2008-2009 budget as a result of this fiscal crisis. Where does that figure into at 7.7 million dollar deficit and is it actually larger than 7.7 million dollars? Does anybody have the quick answer for that? >> And actually--Sherry where did I see you earlier? That's on. There she is. You can't see her. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Yeah. >> Sherry, you'll have to come to the microphone please. >> We-- [ Inaudible Remark ] >> It's--are we going to--where--we're still waiting on money for the 2008-2009 fiscal year from Sacramento. >> Excuse me, whoever answers the question, please come to the microphone. >> Come to the microphone. >> Maybe Sherry and Odessa, why don't you both come up to the front here, so we can have you close by. But in the--you're talking about the 85 million that's the '08-'09 year-- >> Right, and what is the impact on PCC, I mean-- >> So those will be reduced apportionment payments and we have considered those in our budget figures. Did you wanna add anything to that? >> Well, the state hasn't decided yet whether that reduction is going to be a based revenue or the categorical. >> Okay. So I just wanna remind everybody then to be mindful. There may be additional shortfalls beyond the 7.7 million that you've identified right now. >> That's true. Right, that's correct. >> The other--as we went through--when you gave us the budget assumptions-- >> Assumptions? >> and the ad hoc committee too. These are things that have been done by campus committee. They haven't been--or I don't object to a lot of them but they haven't been approved or endorsed by the Board yet. There's a lot of assumptions like a 10 percent reserve. I don't know that we've actually said--we're shooting for a 10 percent reserve. We as a Board could set the targeted reserve and may reduce that to a 5 percent reserve or something like that. Is that true? >> That's true. >> Yes. >> We have not approved that. >> And so there are some--I wanna make sure that those assumptions actually go through the filter of the Board before they're formally adopted at institutionally. >> And these are just recommendations of course from the budget-- >>Correct. Right. >> or Resource Advisory Committee. >> It was news to me which I learned about the closure of the social science tutoring area. Under what of these proposed reductions did that take place so that I know where this decision was made 'cause I don't recall it? >> Dr. Jacobs, you want to address that? >> Yes. That's a temporary situation. 6:30 was the end of the fiscal year for us and we had what we call the OC funds. >> Right. >> But now they are part of the regular '01 funds. And so, technically, until we asked each one of the deans to do what we call a bare-bone budget to continue projects that was funded by OC in previous season. That's the situation that [inaudible] was funded by the OC funds. It was--and so now we are trying to change over to the '01 funds. So what we hope to have that by Monday that we would have the bare-bones recommendation from the dean as to say exactly what is needed to keep it going. And so hopefully then, that would be carried back to the exact committee on Tuesday and hopefully then we will be able to decide. >> Just speaking as an individual Board Member and echoing what Mr. Martin has been saying for a quite a while, he says, I don't care what's happening at the state level. How do cuts impact classes and programs at PCC? And this is the first we've heard about a significant program being terminated, and so that--and it's a program that I'd like to at least have an opportunity to weigh and then consider before a final decision has made in conjunction with others so that we're fully informed. Now that being said, so I hope that we have a way because I share the concern that student services not be harmed and the access to students for academic and tutoring support is a place that I don't wanna see reduced and so-- [ Applause ] >> So--but that said too, I agree with Dr. Rey Castro that we should look at each of these recommended priorities individually, but I'm going to make the very painful motion but I think it's necessary and I do not wanna do this 'cause I know it impact students very different and it--but in this environment, given the said fiscal emergency, I'm going to move that we cancel the winter intersession in the--so that we can--to make a--because I think that is something we need to discuss and we can't wait to do that later. >> Alright, there's a--Dr. Rey Castro had suggested that we address these items one at a time. This is one of the recommendations. Mr. Baum has moved that we approve canceling the winter intersession. Is there a second to that motion? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Is there a second to that motion? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Is there a second to that motion from the Board? >> No. >> No. >> I'm trying to-- >> Well I--we're gonna have to deal--we were gonna have--we're gonna have to cut something and we're gonna-- >> Alright, so and-- >> And have to manage this-- >> Dr. Rey Castro. [ Applause ] >>I would like to move that the Board make cuts in the amount of 7.7 million dollars and not indicate in the motion where that money is coming from yet I think we have to have that discussion. But that's the deficit and it may vary well be more than 7.7 million dollars with regard to the developments overnight that the report from Erik Skinner that came out of the Chancellor's Office indicated that by going to IOUs, the state automatically had to add 3 billion dollars more to the 24 billion dollar existing deficit and that that 3 billion dollars more was going to be added to the cuts that are coming up and down the state which means this 7.7 number which is our target right now will probably be larger. I don't-- >> Excuse me, excuse me, Dr. Rey Castro. I--you might have a motion on-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> See someone to second it then we can discuss it. >> No. >> No. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Does anyone second--second this motion? >> No. >> Use the reserves, don't cut budgets. >> Well-- >> Yeah. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Do we have a second to this motion, will anyone second it? Okay. >> I'll second it. >> Now, go ahead in the discussion. >> Yeah. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Now. I hear people yelling from the audience. I hear people--excuse me. >> You have to deliver it among the Board. >> You have to be able to listen as well to understand what's being said and what's being considered. >> You obviously aren't hearing us. >> Well, I'm trying to respond to your comments. >> Excuse me, some people would seem to be offended when I said I thought there were students here for class. I'm a--I was a teacher for many, many years and I welcome students in the class. But now, let's talk a little bit about parliamentary procedure. I recognize people are--they don't speak because I'm the chair. If you wanna be the Board Chair, run and get elected and you can do that. But right now, Dr. Rey Castro has the floor. [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> I would--I would like to vote in support of making 7.7 million in cuts and I would like to add to that not as part of the motion but that we consider using 50 percent of our reserves to address the 7.7. [ Applause ] >> And that we begin to also discuss some of these other items to make up the other 50 percent that we're looking for. >> Is that part of your motion? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Alright, I'm the second. I'll accept that. [ Applause ] >> Yes, Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> I just-- [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> I just wanted to suggest that we make sure that when we're speaking about taking the money out of our reserves, we keep what the state requires us to keep because they will come after us if we don't maintain the required amount, so we need to be careful there. >> Mr. Martin. >> Yeah, I'm going to indirectly address the motion and directly address the entire topic. I've been in the Board for quite some time and I ran for the Board because I was a PCC student. And I really, really cared about PCC. And my many years on this Board, I've had a very rather important focus and my motto is simply the main thing is the main thing and to me, student success has a very simple definition. Student success is a student having an opportunity to take the class and then pass. The more students that can take classes, the higher the passing rate, the higher it is student success, and to me, that's what it's all about. It's all about--'cause when I came here, I came here with an objective. I was the first in my family to attend college and I came here trying to transfer and I wanted to get my classes and while I was working and doing all those things you're doing and get on to a university and get a job. I've taken that very seriously through all these years. There're been many proposals to do good things here at the campus, televised Board meetings. I voted against them. I said, if you're gonna televise anything, televise English 1A, more people can take English 1A, we're all trying to get an English 1A, right? I remember I tried to get an English 1A. Okay, televise English 1A, more people can get it. They'll have more. And don't televise a Board meeting, that's not--I want every--I look at every decision in the terms of one additional class. I don't look at the budget in terms of money, 30,000 dollars is one more class section. And that means 30 or 40 more potential student successes. I'm aware that in order for students to succeed, it takes more than just a class. It does take labs and tutoring and support and what better way than from other students. I'm a tremendous believer in that kind of peer to peer relationship. And I pushed for that for many, many years. We have a reality today that is unfortunate. I attended a meeting with some trustees from all our surrounding districts and you're probably aware of these 'cause usually students are very in tune. But every other Community College is already cutting sections. They've already been cut and they're already trimming off sections and we're the last to do that. And that's probably very fitting that we're the last to do it because student success I think has always had a tremendous importance here. Now, we are facing a reality and it is easy for us to sit here and say, use the reserves. But there's a problem with that. The problem is that we have in excess of some place between--originally had, past tense, English 1A students, 10 to 15 million dollars in reserves. But in addition to the cuts, the state is proposing there are deferrals and what that means is instead of paying us the money they owe us for the classes that we've already offered and teachers have already taught and pay what we've already paid, they're not paying us. They hope, kind of like hope to pay us for that in the future. If you think cutting a few classes is bad, try not paying a single person on the campus for a month or two and seeing how many classes are being offered. We used our reserves that we prudently and physically have set aside to continue to fund payroll when the state did not fund us so that we could keep all the classes going. That's a great thing to do but you can only do it with the reserves you have and those reserves are basically going and with more deferrals coming down from the state, what reserves we had are basically committed on. That puts us in a position where we don't really wanna be. In addition to feeling the pain because I was a PCC student, I'm proud to say that my oldest son next year will be attending Pasadena City College. I was on this Board before I had my first son and now that he has graduated from high school, he's attending here next year and I certainly feel your pain as I see him trying to get his classes too. This is very, very real to me on many, many levels. And my only other concern besides his classes and your classes is that I have a 9-year-old daughter and this last year in fourth grade, her teacher asked her to do an essay on her dreams and plans for the future. And she said kinds of things like, well, I wanna do genetics and I wanna do this but someday, I'm gonna go to Pasadena City College and I'm gonna get a college degree. And here's a fourth grader writing Pasadena City College. I have to make sure there is a Pasadena City College for 9-year-olds, for my children, for your children, your grandchildren. I have those only two concerns. So we have to do 7.7 million dollars in cuts some place. Where we do it is a very difficult thing but we have to do those cuts. >> We don't have the reserve. We spend it to keep the classes going. I think that was a prudent move. I think it was prudent we have the reserves to do that. But we're gonna have to do something 'cause the money is not there. We need all your support. I just am so appreciative that you feel it like I feel it, that we want to go to Sacramento and explain the mission of community colleges and what we're doing. But tonight, we have to give some direction to 7.7 million or there won't be a PCC, not just for the 9-year-old, there won't be a PCC in 2 years for now for those of you who aren't quite sophomore level yet. This is just a reality we have to face and I'm very sorry we're doing it. I'm very appreciative of the support that I feel here from students and that have made such a wonderful case for the college and we need to continue that message elsewhere. So I'm--I am in favor of 7.7 million. I don't think that using the reserves as part of that is a viable option because I believe the reserves will be gone before we need it to find the cash flow deferrals so that we can keep the payroll going. You know, just so you know, we have a monthly payroll here of 10 million dollars. So if we have a 15 million dollar reserve, that's one and a half months of payroll that we can cover and that's it. So it's that kind of magnitude. I know to you and me, a million dollars is a lot of money. But when you're funding 10 million in payroll a month to keep all these classes open that we've been doing, unfortunately it goes really, really fast. So I'm in favor of a motion. This proposal that we got came through a campus committee that involved students, it involved teachers. I wish it could involve all--how many teachers do we have. It was a consortium committee-- >> Pardon me, you are--you are not recognized. Go ahead, Mr. Martin. >> And so, you know, I appreciate the fact, we ask that it go through the campus community. That's important to us to know what the campus says and I think we have tried to make every decision in the best interest of students. It seems to me the most efficient way to hurt the least number of students in our classes is to shut down the winter intersession so that we can take more of our cuts from cutting electrical bills and campus utilities and some of those other things rather than keeping them open 12 months a year and have to pay those kinds of things which means further cuts from the instructional areas. So to me I think that's why that was the first recommendation from the entire campus committee back to us and I think unfortunately, that just makes a lot of sense. >> Dr. Perfumo then Dr. Bradbury-Huang and that I'm going to speak and then Mr. [inaudible]. >> I just wanted to dovetail on what Trustee Martin was saying. I want to remind the Board of the very detailed budget presentation that Dr. Zacovic gave about three meetings ago where he have the entire spreadsheet showing how all the deferrals of state is asking us to make now uses all of our reserves and gets us down to about 2 million, only 2 million remaining and you will recall that the May 28th, May revise included three additional months of deferral. And so that reserve has already really been spoken for. >> Alright, Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> Three issues, let me start by saying I also will support our needing to make cuts of 7.7 million dollars. We have disgraceful role models in Sacramento. We do not have the luxury of sitting here and doing nothing and allowing things get worse and worse and worse. We must preserve the fragile financial health that we have. This issue of the reserve is really very important and it's a pity that many of you miss the conversation at the last Board Meeting. I remember making--I remember thinking and ending up, actually making the comment that the reserve that we have preserved which we've built up over many, many years by the way would be blown away in a literally a small matter of weeks thereby not allowing us to pay people their salary. So, we had the philosophy professors speak so eloquently about what that would mean for him and his family, multiply that by the many hundreds of people and you realize it's an unsustainable proposition that we use up the reserve in that way. I really want this to be clear because I saw the Op-Ed column in The Courier about it. I feel that it cannot be put on the table. The other issue, one of the reasons I felt [inaudible] meeting getting into this conversation is twofold. One, quite frankly I was taken by surprise by hearing about the Social Sciences Learning Center. I think I heard Dr. Jacobs say that it's by no means closing down, that in fact after the 4th of July holiday, we will have figured out how to get it back up and running. So many, many of you address that concern. I don't--I want you to leave the room knowing that we understand that the reason people come to PCC is precisely because of the work that happens there and that that is enormously important to preserve and we want to see that preserved. There was a very important third issue and now it's gone. It will come to me. >> Oh, it will come to you. Alright, I'm going to recognize--I'm going to recognize myself. What--okay, go ahead. >> I know what it was. >> I know who I am. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah. I want to acknowledge that in some ways we're held over a barrel here. The Board has not been able ourselves to offer even symbolic gestures just because of the timing of this. I for one will go on record by saying all means I will give up a percentage of my salary. It is very small, it would only be symbolic, it's not a way to suck up but I do believe we need to all share the pain and that's what a lot of these is about. We must share the pain and that also brings me back then to the intersession. It was brave of Mr. Baum showing it out there. Absolutely, we need to go where we can save the most and in the least excruciating way and therefore, I think looking to the top end and working downwards would be the most effective way of working this evening. At the same time, there are other things that have not yet gone on here. Even if they just have some symbolic value, I would like to feel that I'm contributing to sharing the pain as I believe pretty much all my colleagues would. So that's their-- [ Applause ] >> Yeah, I've put you in the list. I'm going to recognize myself for a minute. I guess I was very concerned. I won't say I guess. I know I was very concerned by Dr. Jacobs' response to closing down the Social Science Learning Center because there are no more art funds. But that is just a recommendation we have been told. The Board hasn't approved no more art funds. As far as the Board is concerned and I've been in this discussion several times and as I've said, I don't think the Board is going to want to completely get rid of the art funds. So I don't understand how this decision has been made before it came to the Board and the Board opened it and the Board approved it. And the other thing is I don't think it was very good planning to not figure out where it--how to keep the Social Science Center open, and I can understand why the students said you got caught in a bureaucratic mess. It's what it sounds like to me. It's a bureaucratic mess. So, I would hope that the Social Science Learning Center could be reopened as soon as possible upfront some money. And secondly, I'm very concerned that the administration is acting on recommendations to the Board that the Board has not yet approved. >> That's right. >> And I do wanna point it out that as we were just told by our president, these are recommendations. Now I understand you have to keep things going but I can't imagine that's costing that much per day to keep the art center open for until the next 3 days, at least from today when there is a Board Meeting tonight. And next [inaudible] is Mr. Baum and then Mrs. Wells-Miller. Mr. Baum. >> I just wanna speak to the motion because I think you've identified some issues that I think are important. I'm going to vote against the motion because we as Board Members and Trustees need to take the leadership role in directing the cuts that are going to need to be made. By just saying cut 7.7 million dollars, can get us back into the situation where we've just experienced where cuts are being made without us approving them. And so we need to say specifically where the cuts are going to be made and give the administration the direction because if somebody has to take the ultimate responsibility and the ultimate responsibility for the budget and the spending in the revenues for this district lies with us. And so we need to direct the administration specifically, given to say that this crisis where those cuts are going to be made, and then be accountable to the voters and to the students and to the other folks about the decisions that we make. And that's why I think we--because it--it's not working right now, we need to then tell the administration, okay, this is where we're gonna have to cut. >> Take this decision and run with it because that we have, we're facing a fiscal emergency and we need to respond to it and I think we need to direct them today what needs to be done at least in the short term, and then if we can restore something later, we'll do our best. >> Mrs. Well's-Miller? >> Yes, I would like to remind everyone that these are just for discussion only. We're not saying that it's gonna be items on this list. I too am very concerned that decisions are being made prior to coming before the Board. That's not the way this works and I will make an awful lot of noise as well I'm sure all my colleagues, if that continues to happen. I do wanna go on the record saying I'm gonna find a way if that has to be holding a fundraiser. I've done that before for other institutions to keep that Social Science Lab open. We're not gonna leave it-- [ Applause ] >> We'll keep it open. [ Applause ] >> Okay, we have a motion on the floor and, Mrs. Wells-Miller, I--it was my understanding that this came to us as a recommendation from Dr. Perfumo that these budget cuts and these budget guidelines. So I think they are beyond discussion. Is that correct Dr. Perfumo? >> Yes, these are the recommendations I'm bringing tonight and I do wanna point out once again that while it says no winter intersession, we have also set an order to meet our cap because if we close all of winter intersession, its more than the 1,400 FTE were above cap, so that would drop us bellow cap. We would therefore add additional sections for students in fall and spring semester which are our heaviest subscribed semesters for our students. So while it would be the closure of the winter intersession, we would actually be adding additional sections in fall and spring. So please keep that in mind as you consider this recommendation from the committee. >> Mr. Baum. >> I need a clarification on the motion. The motion is to direct the administration to find 7.7 million dollars in cuts. >> Uh-hmm. >> Preferably half of that coming from the reserve account. >> Right, right. >> How does the maker anticipate the administration would come up with the rest of the cuts and how would the Board have a role on that? >> Dr. Rey Castro. >> I think that as a Board, we have to agree as to the amount of the cuts which is why I identified 7.7 which is actually the total deficit that was given to us by President Perfumo. That's the moving target. And then I think we have to go through this list and consider which of these we want to apply to that deficit and any other cuts that we may bring to the list ourselves to address the deficit. I--when I made the motion, it was really, you know, with regard to the 7.7 million as the base part of the motion, I think that's our moving target. The item with regard to reserves, it was not my understanding when I added that that the reserves were already committed. I understood differently I guess from the presentation we had from Mark Zacovic that we hadn't yet and that those were still uncommitted. But if in fact they've already--if the reserves have already been committed, then I am willing to drop that portion of the motion and simply address the 7.7 million. And then once we agreed that that's the target, I think that we need to begin to discuss where we're gonna come up with that 7.7 million. >> And as the sector of the motion, I would go along with that. And Dr. Perfumo, is it correct that the--but that was understanding from what--Dr. Zacovic's presentation. But it's correct that the reserves are already committed to the cash flow problem. >> Correct, to the deferral, right--the cash flow. >> To the deferral. Now is there a [inaudible]--now, my next question is, is there a possibility that if the state ever does gets some money, that we would get this money back or is it gone forever? >> Well, they're talking about deferrals but as, you know, since the January budget when they did the initial deferrals and then May 28th, they added three more months of deferrals, we don't know what the final deferral number of months will be until the budget bill finally gets signed. >> That's right. >> Okay if-- >> I would answer that-- >> Yeah, Mr. Martin--yeah. >> by saying if there's ever a point when they started moving the funding back to its normal schedule-- >> Then we would get a-- >> then we might start getting some of that back. >> Right. >> I would also suspect the likelihood of that happening once it's gone the other way. >> Yeah, zero. >> It's very, very low. >> So--and [inaudible] a deferral is like a cut in a real sense. So they don't call it that but it-- >> Well it's a-- >> Well, we don't know. >> It's a permanent delay of funding. >> Permanent delay of funding that we have to correct. >> And so we have to use what we have to bridge the gap in that delay. >> Currently, they're saying they would give us the deferred payments in October. But earlier we were gonna get it earlier as well. >> Right. >> So they've continued to push the deferral further out because the state situation is continuing to worsen. So we don't know when or if we will see any of that-- >> Okay, I recognize your-- >> Short. >> I just wanna make sure that my understanding is what everyone else--I hope everyone in the room is listening here. The reserves, there are--have already been spent in a sense. They--we cannot use them at least right now for this year. >> Right. >> Is that correct? Alright, Mr. Baum and then Dr. Rey Castro. >> So my question then is also, after-- [ Inaudible Remark ] >> If we are-- >> What? >> If we take up the motion, does Dr. Rey Castro or my other colleagues on the Board anticipate after we say that when we're targeting 7.7, are we then going to act on some of these this evening? >> Yes. >> Are we then putting it off for couple of weeks? You think that we'll be talking about in this evening. >> Dr. Rey Castro. >> Okay, then I could support that motion. >> Okay, so the motion is that we authorize 7.7 million in cuts and then we--if that passes, we will then go ahead and pass this. Okay. [ Inaudible Remark ] [ Applause ] >> Are we ready for the vote? [ Applause ] >> Student Trustee. >> We need to hear these [inaudible]. >> Advisory--what? Are we all--we're now we're gonna vote on approving the cut of the 7.7 million and our Student Trustee Advisory vote. >> You may have a point here. >> Oh, do you have something you want to say about? >> [Inaudible] everybody here, [inaudible] who doesn't know, my name is Brian Abadia. I know a lot of you guys actually voted for me to be your Student Trustee and honestly to just what you guys understand with the reserves and the 7.7 cuts that have to come, the reserves, it would, I mean I--when I first came on, I totally was--I was completely open to, you know, to idea of, okay, if are there reserves, why not see why [inaudible] use them. However, after studying the budgets for literally hours on hour, I have concluded that it's just not responsible to because what California can do is they can say, okay, the money we were gonna pay you, we're not gonna pay you so just make do without it. And that's literally what happens. I mean it's not the school that does it. >> [Inaudible] spend all of your reserves. >> No, here's a thing-- >> Excuse me. Pardon me. He has the floor, Brian will talk. >> Here's a thing though, one month of just faculty pay is 10 million dollars. So let's just say hypothetically California said, okay, just hold off for one month. If we don't have those 10 million dollars, literally, teachers will not get paid and that is a fact. No teacher will get paid or unless we got to borrow money, we pay interest rates, all these things. So it's just not fiscally responsible to spend it on one time use, you know, I mean--like it's-- [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Dr. Mann, this is deliberation among the Board. >> Just a second. Excuse me. Excuse me. Hey, your student trustee has the floor. Please get--respect him, you might have to let him speak and then he's got a vote on this. He's explaining his position now. >> Now, don't get me wrong. I mean everyone here who knows me knows I'm 100 percent for the students. I mean I am the student representative. The only student on this Board to actually represent you guys directly. So I mean I do understand where you're coming from. However, after looking at the facts, just the hard cold numbers, we just can't spend the reserves. It would fiscally irresponsible because then, what if--what if California gave us [inaudible], let's say like an IOU. We don't have the money to pay the teachers for that month. I mean what's gonna happen on your classroom if your teachers aren't getting paid? Do you think you guys-- [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Excuse me. >> Right, no, no. Well here's the thing that the--and one thing [inaudible] it's sort of a different-- >> Excuse me, Brian--Brian, according to parliamentary procedure, I wanna remind you, you address all your remarks to the chair. So talk to me. Tell me. That is--come on, talk to me. [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Talk to me. >> Alright, no, no-- [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Talk to me. >> No, no. What I want the students to know is that the Board of Trustees, honestly, they're not--they're not your enemies. Don't come in as I--you know, we versus you mentality 'cause they're out here working for you guys, honestly. However, after looking at all the facts presented to us, we just have to play with the cards we're dealt. Most this cut or all of these cuts are coming from California. I deeply understand everyone who has--you know, everyone has grievances about, oh, this is gonna be cut, I'm gonna be affected. Believe me, I'm gonna be tremendously affected. I have to take two classes in winter. I mean, I have to transfer for it, I mean and believe me, it's gonna hurt. Don't get me wrong. I'm gonna have to load up tremendously in the fall. However, I do understand, after looking at the hard cold numbers, I understand that for the wellbeing of the school and the entire student body, it is in your best interest to, you know, to take these recommendations. And they're not being done selfishly or just without things in mind. I mean, mind you, if there is cut, I'm like--like the president mentioned earlier, actually fall and spring will be expanded, you know. So remember that. I mean I probably saw most of you guys, you know, when I was trying to add another class in the fall, I tried to join an economic class, there are 50 people trying to join. I mean all of us know how hard it is to add a class. We know that we need more classes in the fall and spring as in most the students that are here, you know. So--so don't get me wrong. I mean I totally appreciate you guys out here, believe me. However, if you guys have any concerns, I mean honestly I want you guys come to me. I mean if anybody has a pen and pad out, my email address, it's just pcctrustee@yahoo.com. Please come to me, I will be more than happy to [inaudible] that information, you know. Don't go at rumors because the facts speak for themselves and, you know--and going back to 7.7 million cuts, I know it's not a popular thing and people have major guts up here to really just go come out and tell you guys, oh, we're gonna cut 7 million because--7.7 million, it's not [inaudible], I know that. However, looking the facts, we only have to deal with the cards that we're dealt. We don't--you know, we're not saying, we wanna cut. We're looking forward to it. None of us--no one is doing that. You know, California is telling us-- >> Brian--excuse me, Brian, you--Brian, you have the floor. Look at me and talk to me, Brian. Are you ready to vote or do you have something else you wanna say? >> Oh, let me just [inaudible] quite yet. So though the 7.7 million, it's not [inaudible], I know that. That's what California--that's the position California has put PCC in and the fact that--in fact, the Board of Trustees had been so fiscally responsible. We're doing so much better off. [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> No, they do what's going on. >> Brian, Brian, talk--Brian, talk to me and-- >> Okay. >> and finish your remarks. >> No, no, the Board of Trustees do know what's going on, honestly guys and-- [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Come on talk to me. [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Yeah, let him talk, he's one of us. >> Let him speak uninterrupted. Please, talk to me and say what you wanna say. >> Right. No, no, I just wanna let everybody know that I know how unpopular it is to cut the 7.7 million. However, it's out of the Board's hands. It's simply it's--if you don't have money to buy something, how are you gonna buy it. It's just--it's just not possible, so they have to cut this. So now, well, I know it's unpopular and I know--you know, I mean I'll personally be affected by a lot of these cuts. Believe me, I will personally affective--affected. I mean as a lot of the students know, I use the Social Science Lab. I mean I don't even have computer at home. I use the lab's computer. I go there for tutoring. I go there to watch, you know, videos for classes. I will be personally affected. However, after looking at all the circumstances, I do--I mean I have to explain to you guys that I do think it is prudent to make these cuts, you know, before it actually becomes a bigger issue. And I really hope you guys understand that. You know, so I would have to--I would have to vote to make these cuts just because it's in the best interest of all of us to do it now rather than feel the consequences later. >> Okay, are you ready to vote? >> Yeah. [ Applause ] >> Advisory vote. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Alright, other trustees all in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? No, no, so the motion carries unanimously. >> Dr. Mann. >> Yes, Mr. Martin. >> I'd like to make a motion to direct the administration to follow the plan that they--that has come back from the campus committee down to the dotted line which equals to 7.7 million. My reason for that is if you look through the line items that are proposed with the exception of the winter intersession which we debated rather laboriously here and realized the pain of that and knowing that we're gonna have to shuffle those sections, the rest of these are release time, travel, consultants, you know, our approval of the retirement plan here tonight will not constitute a contract but it would constitute a direction to work towards the contract that would benefit those savings plus some vacant position salary savings. I also think we could ask the administration to look at vacant administrative positions that we could cut and save additional funds, as I know there are some of those, and think that that would be a very prudent and cost effective move to include in that motion. So I would make that motion because I see this as the best way to offer as many student sections enhanced in my opinion student success with the funds that we have. >> So your motion is to direct the administration to actualize the cuts that are proposed down to the dotted line with the understanding that the early retirement would have to be negotiated. >> And looking at current vacant administrative positions. >> And to look at some current vacant administrative positions and come up with some administrative cuts. Is that correct, Mr. Martin? >> Yes, that's the motion. >> I have a motion of--is there anyone willing to second? >> Second. >> Okay, I have a motion and second. Discussion. Mr. Baum and then--oh, pardon me. Mr. Martin [inaudible] that's his motion, let him speak first. >> And to further speak to that, just for those who are there, who are here, the things that are below the line are reduced faculty overload, reduced class [inaudible] over time, reduced college assistance, reduced student workers and reduced supply. So is there for the moment at least safe because they're below the line which was the-- >> Recommendation. >> Student Learning Center point that was made here, so-- >> Yeah. >> I honestly think that, one, I appreciate the fact this was a campus committee, and two, with the exception of the winter intersession, I do think we are doing the best we can to offer as many class sections as we possibly can to afford us the greatest student success we can possibly get from the funds that we have. >> Mr. Baum. >> Two things, one is I just want to be mindful. I agree with Dr. Rey Castro suggesting that we take these individually and I do have--because I'm not sure and I share your concern about the early retirement plan, whether that should be bundled up with this. >> Right. >> Number 2, is since we were told this came out of a shared governance committee, I wanna give the shared governance representatives a chance to weigh in and to affirm that this--they feel that this process carries the will of the constituents that they represent this list of priorities. >> Dr. Bickley, Faculty Senate. >> Thank you, Mr. Baum. Well, frankly we're included in the Ad Hoc Budget Committee. I should advise you that these were not changed after discussion that meeting. So these were recommendations brought to that from executive committee, from the VP of administration services, from some inner group coming up with this order and prioritization. And then at that meeting it was shared with classified staff member and a faculty member and myself. I would say in the spirit of Shared Governance, I would certainly like to see that before we would go forward with these further, and maybe we have to make a decision about winter intersession tonight, I totally would understand that. But I think like release time there, 50 percent, and we're talking about faculty release time, I know there's going to be programs impacted. The faculty at this college are doing things they used to never have to do flows in their assessment, program review. Shared governance has required more faculty involvement and committee works and so forth. And some of the faculty are being asked to do just tremendous amounts of work. And to take away their reassigned time, I would have some questions about that. So back to the question, somebody said that the Social Science Center would be safe. I'm not so sure, okay? Based on the discussion at the Ad Hoc Budget Committee meeting and I was on the [inaudible] committee, the Budget Committee, the Shared Governance Committee and their recommendation was that the art funds be integrated into the general fund, not to be lost in the general fund and to be used in whatever way the administration or the Board of Trustees determined. We are proud of those programs. Many of those programs I'm willing to look at them again and have a committee evaluate bare-bones budgets for them and so forth and so on, and no problem with that. >> But we were almost [inaudible] on blank that those funds were gone but that there would be a last minute opportunity to recoup some of those. So I'm very concerned that there may be processes in place, that the faculty has not been fully included in and I'm not happy with that and I would like to see greater involvement of faculty. I think there are long-term ramifications here that that I would like to work with the Board. I [inaudible] find it very responsible and responsive. The administration is well but I think we need to be on the same page and working together and I would vote for more of that. >> Just a minute. I wanna go--yes, Mr. Lindermann, is that correct? >> Yes. This was discussed with Classified Senate and went through the process. We did have representatives there. >> You did have representatives there. You feel the Classified Senate were adequately represented? >> Yes ma'am. >> Yes, now the Associate Students and I saw you wanna speak earlier but we weren't quite to that point, but now we are. Where the students involved in these discussions? >> No, they were not. >> Oh, it was Shared Governance but it didn't involve the students? >>Not the Ad Hoc Budget Committee, no. >> Did you have something else you wanted to say? >> I wanted to add something else with Professor Martin and with Brian Abadia follows up on, thank you for recognizing me. As a--they're suggesting the students mostly--mostly do the things that we talked about going to be solved at the state level. So I'd like to extend a hand and opportunity for them to actually join the Associated Students lobby committee where we would be taking trips to Sacramento and you will have your voices heard there to the legislatures so that way you guys, your voices are represented and you could help our students and your peers. That's all I wanted to add. >> Oh, thank you. Mrs. Ligons, was the management association involved in these discussions? >> Yes, we were and I can strongly say on behalf of the association, we would support the motion that cuts be made up to the dotted line. And I'd like to add that there were comments made about cut management salary. Well, we have done that indirectly through the years. As managers resign or retire, their workloads are shifted over to other managers, so our workload has increased but our salary hasn't. And we are sensitive to the fact that we don't need to make more money than anybody else and then have everybody else cut but us. So we have been carrying our share of the load long before the issue has even surfaced. >> I do know it is. According to data from the Chancellor's Office, we have about those leanest percentage of managers to faculty of any community college in the states. So it's not like we have a lot of excess managers. You may not like what they're doing but we don't have too many of them doing it. [ Laughter ] >> Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> Yes, Dr. Bickley, did I understand you correctly that the Shared Governance process was not in place? That's very disturbing. Did I misunderstand it? >> The Shared Governance process was included at the last minute when the--well [inaudible] committee recommendations were at the art funds be--what's the word there, integrated into the general fund and at the Ad Hoc Board Budget Meeting, that was not the general feeling that I got from that meeting, to say the least, that I was very much concerned. And for those programs and their survival, that somehow that money 2--2.4 million that had once been 4 million was going to be just dispersed to salary is basically I'm assuming but wherever would go. But I'd like to say that the line is if--we're approving only at the line and not beyond the line because the faculty overload situation is another concern that I have that is well worth addressing. I think it's a matter of quality education. I think some of these matters need to be addressed in the context of negotiations with the faculty association. But sometimes there are matters that overlap with the senate in terms of quality education concerns. We have it as priority item in the budget that faculty--full time faculty get a priority for a selection of overloads. We also I think have in there managers also come I think as a secondary priority and also retired faculty. But my point is to save money by signing these classes to adjunct faculty, we have more experienced full time teachers that helps us with our 75-25 for our fulltime faculty to teach these classes. It helps us in the sense that fulltime faculty here are--have office hours and students can come in and talk to the full time faculty. There are just a lot of things regarding the quality of our educational program that are being overlooked. If we are just gonna cut cost to save money. So we got to look at the long-term implications and be very careful. And I hope since it's a wait and see, we're being told, so let's then get together and work together and plan it out the way that a college that really has students success as its primary concern should do it. [ Applause ] >> Dr. Perfumo. >> Yes, and Dr. Bickley, perhaps we're just talking semantics because I know I'm the Resource Advisory Committee which is the Shared Governance group. They use the term integrating the art funds into the general fund and then having the bare-bones I think is the term that I've heard. >> We made a recommendation, the art committee made a recommendation for certain amounts to be funded and the last we heard, that was gonna go forward to the executive committee for evaluation. And at the Ad Hoc Budget Committee, I was informed that by and large, the survival of art programs was seriously in jeopardy. >> Well, I think what we had said at the Ad Hoc Budget Committee to be clear is that we would ask Dr. Jacobs and Dr. Sugimoto to work with the deans and the faculty-- >> Correct, correct. >> in each division to integrate those art programs where they could within the budget guidelines that we were proposing as the committee. >> That is correct. That was the-- >> So, I think it's integrating and asking it was more saying how the group could perhaps achieve that. >> Mr. Baum. >> Dr. Mann, to move things along and help us reach decision, I wanna put something forward and wanna see how it applies. At the Board of Governors level, we often have things in subsequent meetings. You have a first reading where the first information is presented, they could sink in, you can get public feedback, you can sleep on it and then the next meeting, you then take the action. And so the question that I have is, we've gotten a lot of feedback, we're getting a lot of information, we're hearing from the Shared Governance groups, we're hearing from the public and now--and we have some proposed cuts. What would be--what problems would occur if we did kind of put this in on the agenda for the next meeting? The--I understand we're the [inaudible] stage of the winter intersession but can it wait two weeks? >> Two weeks is our retreat, it have to be a month. >> But we could do--we could still have a public meeting-- >> Okay, alright. >> and take this up-- >> Alright, two weeks. >> as part of the retreat. >> Alright, two weeks. >> As part of the--that's I just wanna put that forward so that we can actually look at the numbers little more carefully and do that. I just--but I know we have a motion on the floor right now. >> What is the motion on the floor, Mrs. Thompson? >> Well, direct the administration to make the cuts. >> To the line. To the line--yes. Dr. Rey Castro. >> I'd like to speak against the motion not because I don't support the need to make the cuts which I've already voted to support but because I think we need to juggle some of these around. I think that we should talk about cutting back conference and travel beyond 50 percent and reduce consultants beyond 50 percent. I also think it's a good idea to-- [ Applause ] >> To move--to move the supplies which is at 50 percent cut below the line and let's move the supplies up above the line and make it 50 percent to generate some cuts in supplies because I'd rather cut paper and supplies before we cut programs and classes and people. [ Applause ] >> Well, I have a-- >> Mr. Martin--yeah. >> A suggestion for how to handle this. I think we need to move tonight to do this timely. We've been having budget meetings here rather regularly. >> Yup. >> And so that the trustees, maybe the way to approach it is if there's a single action like Dr. Rey Castro was suggesting, maybe we could create an amendment to do some different reorganizing, deal with it on an amendment by an amendment basis so if it's in, it's in, if it's out, it's out and yet at the end of the day we're gonna end up with the 7.7 that we have to do. >> Right, right. >> 'Cause we have to do it. >> Okay. >> So, if we use that amendment process rather than just dumping this whole motion, we could be here all night, you know, so let's amend it where they want--the Board wants it amended and see what wins, what doesn't and keep it moving. >> Well, I guess my question is Mr. Baum has suggested that we--unless there is something requiring urgency that we not do the amending tonight but that we do it at our next meeting. And what I wanna ask Dr. Perfumo about--'cause this is a--we only received these two days ago. Dr. Perfumo, is there anything besides--well, first of all, how long can wait on the winter intersession printing on the catalogue? >> We need it now [inaudible]. >> Well, we're pretty close to when we have to have it wrapped up for the gullies and I think the longer we wait on that one particular decision, the more difficult it makes it for the deans to plan with the faculty-- >> Okay. >> and to do what they need to do. >> Alright, I have a second question for you. If we go back to the motion which originally failed, which would be to approve those first two, the winter intersession and then the utility savings? >> That would be sufficient to get us moving. >> And approve that tonight and then come back in two weeks with these others? >> Yes, we could do that. >> You could that? Mr. Baum, it wasn't what you suggested but I know-- >> No, and I'd like to address that because I think--I think we have to set a tone in a direction. Let's look at items 3, 4 and 5 just as an example, vacant positions, vacant salary positions. We're saying tonight, we're not hiring new positions and saving 2 million dollars. Now this is a dynamic process and there is no reason two weeks, a month, six weeks, two months from now a single position for some amount of money can come to the Board and the Board can make that adjustment. >> Right. >> But it gives a direction to the campus that is sorely needed that we're not filling any vacant positions. And when we look at these items which I think are some of the most removed items from the students, reduced release time, conference and travel consultants, that doesn't mean the administration can't two weeks, three weeks, a month from now come back and say, we desperately need this consultant and we're gonna ask you to approve it. But short of that, it's saying this is the direction that this needs to go so that the administration, the faculty and everybody can start scheduling their classes and making plans and not pulling carpets out from under people thinking that it's not gonna be an issue when it really is and further what we heard is, if anything, we may be in a situation where when they come back to this in a month or two months, it's no longer 7.7. >> Right. >> Its 8.7 and then we're looking below the line and making those decisions. Again, I think the physically prudent leadership thing to do is to bite the bullet, make the top decision, I'm in favor of the campus recommendation, I'm open to amendments to move one item up or down but I think it's time to act. >> Okay, Dr. Rey Castro and Mr. Baum. >> I'd like to make a friendly amendment that we move the item reduced supplies above the line and that we reduce faculty release time to 25 percent. >> Okay. >> And that we increase--well so that it-- >> Maybe just deal in dollars, it might be easier. If you just said, it sounds like maybe 500,000 faculty release time in an extra 500,000 out of supplies, you know. >> Right. That will balance it out. >> If that's what your-- >> Okay. >> I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. >> No, that's exactly what we're trying to do. >> Is that your motion? >> But I wanna help you get what you want you want to say out. >> That's a friendly amendment. >> Alright, we--is everyone clear on the friendly amendment? What she's suggesting is that we move reduced supplies above the line which would be, well that's 750,000 and that we reduce faculty release time to 500,000 which would be 25 percent roughly rather than 50 percent. >> Right. >> And to be clear, Dr. Mann, I think she was suggesting 500,000-- >> Only 500,000. >> Of supplies not 750. So it's 500 for 500, we're still at the same total. >> So, wait, that's a tradeoff. >> That's a tradeoff. >> That's the amendment. >> Keep it even. >> So you're moving up the reduced above the dotted line moving that above the line? >> Yes and would be 500,000 of it and then reducing faculty release time, we're increasing that by the 500,000 so it still balances. And then I saw Brian and then Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> It gotta get second, right? >> Oh, is there a second? Is there a second for this? >> Second. >> Oh, there's a second. Brian, Dr.--yes Brian. >> Okay, just quick one clarification. What does--what's included in reducing supplies? I know paper, markers, what other essential things would be included in that? >> Everything. >> Dr. Perfumo. >> Go ahead-- >> So there's lab equipment or supplies like for your science laboratories, they have a supply budget for-- >> Slides. >> Slides and everything that you need. Your cada--not cadaver--well yeah. >> Yes, cadavers. >> Cadavers. [ Laughter ] >> I don't think we're a medical school yet. Cats and frogs you have to dissect so there's a lot in the supply budget but they are very, very small. Because there are so many departments across the campus and that's why the committee put it at the end. >> Okay, Dr. Bradbury-Huang and then you, Mr. Baum. Yes, Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> I'm ready to vote on the original motion without the amendments. I'm thinking there's a reason that reduced supplies was left at the end. [ Applause ] >> And my fear is in our rush to essentially move the chairs on the Titanic because that's all that would have amount to. We're overlooking the potential problems. There would be no gasoline in the car. There's many, many things, unintended consequences of this kind of amendment. So I'm ready to vote and we're a Board, we will, you know, we will have to look at major decisions down the road anyway. Let's vote with what we have. We heard from Dr. Bickley that despite his reservations, he's also willing to support down to the dotted line, I say, go now. >> Mr. Baum. >> I'm opposed to the amendment because I do think reducing supplies would be devastating and that all the programs that I know, it's not papers and markers and flip charts, it's artist supplies and it's medical supplies that are desperately needed to conduct the class and instruct students in the--I don't--I know that these budgets are very small and to cut them further would be very devastating to the instructional operation of the school. So I am--my, where I stand on this, I can go along with the--everything above the dotted line, I would eliminate, I would--if I have an opportunity to make an amendment I would eliminate the reducing the faculty release time and the earlier retirement plan and hold back another million and a half in future cuts to be determined, everything else I can go along with. >> Mr. Martin. >> I think the concept of cutting supplies is really an admirable concept but I do think as Dr. Bradbury-Huang said there are some unintended consequences. I had a teacher talk to me in the last couple of weeks and said, well you know, we're really trying to conserve and so we can only give a test on one page. And you know, this teacher is just saying, it's just--how do I give a test on one page a paper because we're trying to conserve paper. And you know it kind of borders in to things that we don't necessarily think about that are a critical part of having a successful class that students can actually complete the sections that we have offered. So though I think it's a well-intended amendment, I really do, I think we better go with the college recommendation and keep it where it is because of all those little things that we can't think through at our levels. So I would have to vote against the amendment. >> You know, I think I-- >> Brian? >> Yeah, I as a student, I would probably agree just because a lot of supplies, they really are essential. In some classes, they might not be essential as others. However, I don't know how to take biology without having slides or you know, a lot of those things really are essential so I would--I mean, like Trustee Martin said, it is well intended, you know, that it's a difficult task either way. I would have to vote against reducing supplies. >> Alright, Dr. Rey Castro then Mr. Bickley. >> Yeah, I really haven't had a chance to speak to the, in support of the amendment that I made. >> I do wanna point out that after the comments by Dr. Bickley with regard to faculty release time and the impact, the unintended consequences that it would have on programs, you know, we heard speaker after speaker after speaker tonight talking about what happen to the Social Science Learning Lab and the funding. >> And, you know, he mentioned the Social Science Learning Lab and the Math Lab and other labs and other resource that may very well be impacted by art moneys or the lack thereof or other grant moneys and where people around release time. And if in fact we cut this release time, we may very well be cutting into a lot of these labs and resources that the students need to be successful which is why I made the amendment in the first place. I know it's painful to cut supplies. I'm a community college teacher. I need markers for the board. I need paper and I understand how critical it is. But, you know, there's gonna be a lot of pain to go around and I think that we would be remiss if we didn't look at tightening up in the area of supplies as well in order to protect some of our learning labs and programs because that's what's going to affected by this 50 percent cut of Faculty Release Time. >> Yeah, M.r--Dr. Bickley. >> With respect to the Faculty Release Time, some of the programs and some of them do involve art moneys and support for programs like the Social Science Learning Center et cetera. But there are release time for faculty that kind of administer that are hygiene program or other programs of that nature in our city offerings. These faculty tried to help the programs meet accreditation requirements from other bodies other than our [inaudible] agency and so forth. So is Edward Martinez here tonight? Edward worked really hard to do a survey of--Edward is my--is the senate vice president, worked very hard to evaluate faculty reassigned time and some of the issues related to it. So that's when I say, gee, let's involve our team here to look at this issues and may well be that we could go the 50 percent route. But in the interest of evaluating or keeping the quality of our programs I would suggest that we work together and look at that very carefully because I know its economic tough times and hard decisions have to be made and I've learned about some that already have been paid their programs gone and that's kind of tough for me to swallow because not being consulted at all. >> Dr. Rey Castro. >> I'd like to also add that I actually agree with Trustee Baum, not that I don't agree with him but there are lots of times I disagree too. I am perfectly willing to pull the friendly amendment and go along with the idea that he proposed of pulling the faculty release time as well as the early retirement plan out of consideration tonight and vote on the other items and then come back to the other two items when we have more information and address the decision then. I'm perfectly okay with that. >> Who's second at that motion? >> You did. >> I did, okay, I'm acceptable with that. [ Laughter ] >> Brian. >> Can I then order an amendment. >> But wait a minute--Brian do you had something on the [inaudible]? >> No, I don't. >> Alright, Mr. Baum. >> I'd like to forward the amendment to Mr. Martin's motion that that accepts his entire motion except omits or eliminates for tonight's consideration the faculty release time and the early retirement plan. >> Alright, so your [inaudible], alright. Is everyone clear? This is part-- >> That leaves a 1.16 million dollar cut for us to deal with. >> Alright. >> Pretty large amount of money. >> Alright, so what the motion now is to approve down to the line except [inaudible] reduce faculty release time and the early retirement and that would be that 1.6 million would be identified at a later time. Mrs. Wells-Miller? >> Yes, I'm wondering in large capital letters to the left of the top of the sheet, it says for discussion only. Why are we having to vote on all of these items when it says for discussion only? >> Because our president brought this forward as a recommendation. >> Right, until-- >> And the budge says discussion with possible action. >> And it's also on the agenda that way with possible action. Any other--yes, Mr. Martin. >> Well, I'm gonna address the amendment and in some ways I think my position and Mr. Baum's position are just fractions of an inch apart and that I think we should leave all these items in here for now with the understanding that at campus through the administration can come back to us at a later day to as Dr. Bradbury-Huang put it so well reshuffled the chairs on the titanic. I think its good to have something in place and this was the recommendation were given. I'm certainly open to a month from now or whenever if somebody comes back and says we wanna add back 500,000 in release time and we wanna move 500,000 something else up there totally open to it but I think it's the right decision to identify the way it is as the default so that people can move forward. >> Alright. Are we ready to vote on this and does everyone understand the motion? It is to approve-- >> The amendment. >> The amendment and we're gonna vote on the amendment first. The amendment then is to remove early retirement plan and faculty--reduce faculty release time from the list of items to be in this initial cut. Do all understand that? Are we ready to vote? Brian. >> A quick point of clarification. And when you say faculty release time, does that necessarily impact the labs, it does--okay. >> Yes, it does. >> Okay. >> It could. >> I just--okay. >> Alright--alright so are you ready for an advisory? >> Yeah, I am. >> Alright, do the rest of the all in favor of the amendment, please say Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed. >> No. >> Alright, so that's--wait a minute. Let's see it again. All those in favor, hold up your hand. Okay. Opposed? Alright, three to three, the motion fails. You have to have four for a motion to pass. So that takes us to the main motion which is Mr. Martin's motion to approve this list down to the dotted line. All in favor of Mr--sorry. Brian? >> I might have [inaudible] just that I do think that it could be slightly readjusted. >> Okay, but the motion toward--we're voting on this is. >> Right, right. >> Okay, so your vote on approving everything to the dotted line is. >> Specifically I [inaudible] for now. >> Okay. >> I think [inaudible]. >> Did you get that the advisory vote as no? What? >> Can I forward a different amendment? >> Alright, pull that--yes, you can forward a different amendment. >> I'd like to forward an amendment only to strike the reduce the faculty release time from the initial list of priorities. >> Well, I'll second that. >> Yeah. >> And can we discuss that? >> Yes, you're making a motion. You may discuss it. >> I think it's important, as I said, that's a million dollar item from the cuts. So we will still need to make that up. This is an important issue that I think needs further review and discussion before we approve the cutting of faculty release time and I think that we can identify other sources to find that million dollars for the faculty release time that's being proposed for cuts. As you and I--Dr. Mann, there are other parts of the budget that maybe could use a little bit closer investigation and I would encourage that that be taken off the table for proposed cuts at this time. Alright, do we have the motion in a second, right? So now for the amendment. So the amendment is to remove only reduce faculty release time. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Alright, alright. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> You know, I'm sorry I'm running this meeting and that's the way we're gonna do it. It is the point of order. Okay let's-- [ Applause ] >> We're going to the amendment from that --do you understand the amendment Brian? >> To go down by line except of reduce faculty release time-- >> No just to everything except for reduce faculty--yes. Okay. >> Okay. Yes, aye. >> Okay, so that's aye. Now, all in favor of the amendment which is to prove everything except to reduced faculty release time please say, aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Fail, so it's a tie vote. Now-- >> Wait, I didn't hear that it failed. Did it? >> Well [inaudible] hold hand. All in favor of the amendment raise their hand. That's three. All opposed. That's three. You have to have four. >> Mr. Thomson is not here. >> Okay. Call the question. >> Mr. Thomson is not here? Call the question. Alright, now we're going to Mr. Martin's motion. And so which is to approve the cuts down to the dotted line. Advisory vote. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> That was naye again, alright, okay. Alright. Board Members, all in favor please raise your hand. One, two, three, four, five. Opposed. Okay, that motion carries. Alright, the next, I think we have a few more items on the budget and I don't want us to discuss the Board's pleasure. We also have to recommend supplementary budget guidelines. Do you wanna address this neither? Do you wanna address this of a later meeting? Dr. Perfumo, is there any urgency-- >> There is no urgency on those. >> Alright. If it's alright with the Board, I'd like to defer this. However, I would like to also voice my very concern as the exact status of the art funds. I would be very much opposed to them just going away being integrated might be one thing but all the great programs have been funded by art. I think we need to keep tract of and this Board has gone to great links to keep these funds isolated. All the time we've had an order to have these innovative programs and I--so I would, I would--that will come up at this later meeting when we look at these recommendations and the guidelines. And secondly, I was concerned with what the faculty or the academic, I should say, Academic Senate President said about the method by which these recommendations came that, as I understood you correctly Dr. Bickley that you thought there really was not full consultation? >> To the meeting, no. >> No. >> But at the meeting I was allowed to provide input and to make suggestions for changes but as I said, there was nothing changed and not that I took a stand hard on anyone item. I think like I said before, we need a time to think these issues through, the administration did a good job. They came forward with their suggestion. I just like more dialogue about some of them and that's what I'm asking for. >> And I think as we go forward to, Dr. Bickley, there will be more revisions coming from Sacramento. We will continue to meet and we can--and I think it's a great opportunity to go back to the constituent groups and have dialogue about this different line items. >> Yeah. >> And along that line, I did hear Dr. Hallinger speak up how another campus there was a more faculty involvement and there was a different kind of a commitment. And also, the Board of Trustees as their officers to kind of monitoring work with this and we--they were so quickly. We didn't have a chance to look at them either. So the next any further discussion we'd like to plan so all parts have a, well, yes, [inaudible]. >> In response to your comment about Professor Hallinger's reference to [inaudible], I will make a call to their senate and find out more about that plan that they have in place. Some of the faculty salaries, I guess, were gonna be use to as a contribution. I don't know how that would work or what that would look like. It beats the idea of faculty salaries being cut or something. So I'll look into it and see what I learn. >> I did bring to Dr. Perfumo's attention an article that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle where is in San Francisco, they are letting people sponsor a class. And so if you give a college 6,000 dollars, they will offer class, whichever class you want with your name on it in the catalog. That might be--I think we just need to start thinking of creative ideas like that. I don't know if our classes cost 6,000 dollars but maybe a faculty member might want to sponsor their own class so to make sure it's offered. So there would something. Yes, Mr. Baum? >> And in the interest also in speaking of the priorities that you just spoke to about, making sure the art funds are maintained. I would just like to express my personal desire that if we do not have to make the--after we get more budget information we do not have to make a full 7.7 million dollar cut. I would prefer that that funds be targeted toward the faculty release area even though it doesn't come to in that list of specific priorities. As my personal point of view and I just want to encourage that. >> Alright. The next item on the agenda is Basic Skills Presentation and, Dr. Rey Castro, this was your item which you might have to defer this again. >> I request that we defer it because we're really running late and I know we have some other important items that we have to address tonight. So-- >> Alright. >> With all due respect to Dr. Jacobs who's prepared tonight as well as [inaudible], we'll just have to bring this back to another Board meeting. >> Okay, the next item is Approval of Addition to the Non-Credit Curriculum. Dr. Perfumo? >> Yes, I will turn that over to Dr. Jacobs. >> Okay. It's really just the ending. Last time you did three of the courses and this fitness course is just the fourth one in that series for the certificate. >> Okay. >> And that's all it is. It was left off of the last report. >> I'd move approval. >> Second. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Okay, is there a motion to approve this? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Okay, advisory vote. >> Aye. >> Yes, aye. >> Okay, the others--all in favor please say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed. Motion carries. The next items are Adoption of Resolution to Authorize Temporary Interfund Cash Borrowing. Dr. Rey. >> Yes, and this item is the same resolution that the Board adopted last year which allows us to do interfund borrowing from within funds to help with our cash flow which is another stopgap before having to go to a trend which would then-- >> Right. >> --we'd have to incur the-- >> Okay. >> --the interest. So this allows us to do interest-free borrowing from ourselves. >> Okay, do I have a motion on this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Alright, any further discussion? Advisory vote. >> Aye. >> Okay, all those in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed. Motion carries. The next item is two items brought to us by the students. The first one is the Student Activity Fee, Dr. Perfumo? >> We had a thorough presentation on this already too. >> Yes and Dr. Bradbury-Huang will handle this but I do wanna point out that Christina Javier is also here tonight who led the charge on both of these policies. So she is here and available for questions or comments. >> I move approval that--to adopt the policy as presented on the Student Activities Fee. >> I'll second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and second to adopt the policy. Now, this would add 6 dollars, is that correct, Student Activity Fee? Mr. Martin, Mr. Baum and then Dr. Rey Castro. Mr. Baum? >> In reviewing this, the Board has previously approved a 6 dollar per semester activity fee, 3 dollar intersessions with [inaudible]. I think it's in the yellow procedures. I think that the fact that the Board voted on that and approved that and it's a Board decision, it really should be part of the policy and I would encourage that where it says a student activity fee on line 2 of the policy that we strike from the procedures what is 1B of 6 dollars per semester and 3 dollars per winter and summers sessions be inserted into the policy there and then the policy would continue funded to fund, to create and to receive and dispense funds, blah, blah, blah. In other words, I think that procedure really isn't a procedure. >> Okay, so what? >> Its part of the policy >> So you're suggesting that 1B which actually identifies the amount of the fee be incorporate into the policy. >> And make that amendment. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> And that's an amendment. Do I have a second to the amendment? >> Second. >> I'd welcome it as a friendly amendment to the motion. >> Oh, it's a friendly amendment so you don't have to-- >> I'd like to vote on it as an amendment if we may. >> Oh, he wants to vote--he didn't accept it as a friendly amendment, okay. >> Well, I accept it as a friendly amendment. >> He accepts it. It'll be--we can't [inaudible] as amendment. Okay. >> No, can I make a motion to amend it and get a second because I wanna vote on the amendment. >> Okay. >> Alright, let's vote on the amendment so we're not here all night. Okay. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. >> I don't accept the amendment. >> He doesn't accept the amendment so we have-- >> But is there a second to the amendment? >> --so we have to vote on. >> No, no, I just change so that-- >> Okay we can do it. Okay fine. We're gonna vote on the amendment which is to--is to move the amount of student activity fee into the body of the policy. Brian? >> Yes, aye. >> Okay. The rest of the Board members? >> Aye. >> All in favor please say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed. >> No. >> No. Two no's, okay motion carries. Now we're to the main body of the student activity fee policy. >> Can I ask a question? >> Yes of course Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> Did the students play a part in this particular policy and if so what-- >> Christina can answer that. >> --level of participation did you have? >> We wrote it--we wrote it with the help of Dr. [inaudible]. >> Thank you. >> You did what? >> We wrote it. >> You wrote it. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Okay, the students wrote it and you did a survey is that not correct? >> Yes. >> And how many responses did you have? >> Over 800 and there was 4212-- >> Over 800 out of 31,000. >> Yeah. >> This was the powerful slide presentation the students did-- >> Right. >> --in __ 2:40:30.0 auditorium. >> Dr. Rey--oh I'm sorry. Dr. Rey Castro or Mr. Baum. Mr. Baum. >> When it came up last time, one of the issues that some of our colleagues raise was did it go through the Shared Governance process and so now is that is coming back to us I just wanted to give a Shared Governance representatives an opportunity to express their position on it. >> Dr. Bickley? >> The Senate Board did approve this so we're fine with it. >> Mr. Lindemann. >> With request by the senate, yes we did approved. >> So I guess AS [inaudible] and [laughter] Mrs. Ligons? >> Management approved it. >> Alright. >> And then my only other point too is if we adopt this tonight, I still have feel very to strongly the fact that there's two, this will create a second revenues stream for the AS. We've got the revenue realized from bookstore and cafeteria sales as well as the student activity fees, it is my preference and I'll be looking at this in years ahead that once you determined what the level of funding you get through the activities fee, you can eliminate the unpublished tax on students that is being carried out through the bookstore and the cafeteria fees. Because I think it would be better just to have it upfront and full disclosure as to what--how people--how you're getting this money and how you're spending this money. >> Right, Dr. Rey Castro. >> Yes, I'd like to state for the record again that I plan to vote no against this particular motion. I'm a big supporter of students and student activities but I'm not a supporter of this particular policy because it is mandatory and tuition is going up for students to at least 26 dollars a unit on top of the fiscal crisis and it poses an undue burden for students who are poor, who don't have money, financial aid, book grants even Cal grants may very well be cut and a lot of students are going to be negatively impacted by this policy. If this policy were voluntary, I would support it. But in its present language, I cannot, in good conscience, support it. >> And I would like to recognize myself and then Mr. Martin and I wanna say exactly the same thing. And I heard students tonight particularly that the woman spoke who was a single mom. I heard student say, don't raise our fees, don't raise our tuition. I cannot support any kind of an increasing fees at a time when who knows what is going to be--the tuition is going up. I think the timing is not appropriate and it is mandatory. Mr. Baum and then Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> Mr. Martin has to say. >> Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Martin. >> I'm gonna quickly echo what Dr. Rey Castro said and repeat what I said when you made the powerful presentation that you made. I thought the students made a powerful presentation. I thought the students are doing a lot of good things for other students. It's the mandatory requirement on it that bothers me. If there were on a voluntary basis where students can do it and get a card and get all these benefits, I'd be in favor of that. And so, I'm gonna be very consistent but, again, I want to consistent with my--how impressed I am with what you went through and the presentation you made. It was as good of presentation as I've ever seen by any professional but not enough this way, unfortunately, to support that excellent students. >> Dr. Bradbury-Huang and then Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> President Mann, I would invite you to ask the speaker to clarify whether or not this is a mandatory fee. My understanding is that it's not a mandatory fee because if you can't afford it, you can go and get your money back. So that the use of it, which we clarify at the last meeting by the way, so the persistent use of the term mandatory is really not helpful because it's actually not true. More over, the students are telling us that they want this. Therefore, I will be voting in support. >> Would you clarify it? >> It is voluntary. >> Could you define how it's voluntary? >> Dr. Sugimoto? [ Laughter ] >> Thank you Christina. >> I couldn't hear her. >> On your procedure if you look at number 2, it does talk about the fee being collected at registration that students may receive a waiver. Also, if students had the inability to pay the fee, they have the ability to take out a loan or have that loan converted to a grant so they would not have to pay for the fee at all. I think the bigger reason for the fee actually has to do with the value added that they would receive from the activities that some students would never be able to have some of the events and activities provided for them under the circumstances that they currently have. And the students truly--you know, I look at Christina and I'm so very, very proud of her and the work she did and the students in the AS in supporting, putting this policy and procedure together to bring to the Board. And I will say to the Board, I truly understand what your position is and I understand once the vote is taken that that is the vote but I did want to compliment and honor Christina for the work she did and let her know how very, very proud I am because she did really work hard on this and she got all of the information presented to at the last meeting. >> Well, now I have a problem with this as a former English professor. The language says the fee shall be collected at registration. That is not voluntary. Then you can request and exception or a waiver. >> After. >> Afterwards and I'm sorry that the assistant dean of Scholarship Finacial Aid is not here but having help my niece register, I know you--if you register online, it goes on there and you have to pay it and then request it and I think that--I think just a fact of the fee would this way, you know, students. I think it makes it complicated and it doesn't say the fee maybe collected. It doesn't say this is a voluntary fee if you wanna participate, you can pay it. To me that would be voluntary. Christina? >> I have two things to say. First of all we're voting on the policy. The procedure does have the opportunity changed. I did discuss that with Dr. Sugimoto about changing certain aspects of the procedure after the fact. Also I want to say, we're discussing solutions for this because it's something I did feel strongly about and she says there are ways to tract students who cannot pay for this and that we can maybe ahead of time give them that waiver so that even as they register its already in our system that they cannot pay for it. My third comment is, we heard repeated references to co-curricular activities being as important to our education as our classes. And this fee is--that's what this fee is for. You heard many students say co-curricular activities, tutoring services, longer hours in our labs and libraries. Those are the things we were trying to push. I'm so glad that there are other students here voicing these things that I'm trying represent. >> Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> We've run into a bit of problem here. I'd probably should have spoken up when the amendment was suggested by Mr. Martin. The problem here is that the policy had come through all the various committees and now at the very end, new language is being inserted without the approval of all said committees. It's completely out of whack with how we deal with all policies. Nonetheless, we have taken the vote and so the language from the procedures have been taken from the procedures which the Board normally never goes near and is now been inserted into the policy. This is unfortunately the case. The one thing that I might suggest is that the language of "shall" was converted to "may" in my committee and therefore the word "may" gives you an out here so you can still work with Dr. Sugimoto to have this-- [ Inaudible Remark ] >> To have this be as voluntary as at least I understand that it is. >> Yeah. >> Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> Yes, I prefer the fact that it be voluntary and if it would help to make it is so, I would change my vote if necessary but I do strongly believe it should be voluntary for those students. >> Okay, would-- >> Dr. Mann. >> Yeah. >> This-- >> Mr. Baum. >> I'm counting noses here and they don't see the votes here tonight and we are missing another trustee who might have an opinion on this motion and I wanna see if it could be an order that we withdraw this and perhaps refer it back to the administration for consideration when we have the full Board present and that maybe even to address some of the concerns about how to make more explicit this fee as a voluntary fee to start. >> Alright. I have a suggestion that we withdraw this and actually since we change it we probably have to go back to the Shared Governance Committee anyway and bring it back later. If there's anyone object-- >> As opposed to it going forward and it not being [inaudible]. >> And it probably would be voted down tonight. So does anyone object withdrawing this at this point? >> No. >> Alright. So we'll withdraw this. The next item on the agenda is-- >> Smoking policy. >> Is the smoking policy. Yes, Mrs. Ligons. >> That Management Association requested at the last College Coordinating Council that this not go to the Board until we have an opportunity to reconsider it because as its reading, its gonna an additional cost to build those designated areas and so we wanted to reconsider our recommendation before you-- >> I have a question. >> Alright, the Management Association has requested that this not go to the Board until they have an opportunity to reconsider it. Does any Board Member object to pulling this [inaudible] go to Management Association as requested by the president of the Management Association. [ Inaudible Discussions ] >> Yes Dr. Perfumo? >> Comment--it was a suggestion made at the last College Coordinating Council but we had all approved the initial policy. >> That's right. >> So the College Coordinating Council did approved the policy as it is presented here and then we had talked about going to the next level which would be completely a 100 percent smoke-free and then talking with Dr. van Pelt, you may wanna say something Dr. van Pelt. There is a very, very inexpensive way that you've come up with to handle those designated areas. >> You know, I think if the Management Association has requested this come back, I think we should honor that request. >> Uh-hmm. >> And I don't see-I mean, when Academic Senate has requested something come back, we have done that. The students have requested it, we have done that. So I don't see why we are not honoring the Management Association request. But I can be overruled. >> I have a question. >> Yeah, Mrs. Wells-Miller. >> It was my understanding that the student body, if it was not last year, it was year before when this came up, were in favor of a no smoking campus. I would like to suggest that we give that serious consideration on a lot of levels. For one thing, the people that would have to monitor it, that's a lot of wasted time by our security people running around trying to--secondly, it's a health matter and I think we should consider the possibility of a smoke-free campus. >> Alright, thank you. Does any--yes Mr. Baum. >> I don't object to pulling it. I do wanna be respectful of president, past President Javier who was here for this and I know that by this time, the next time we have a meeting and consider this, she'll be at the University of California at Berkley. So in--my spirit is to pass this tonight in deference to you being here but I don't object to also acknowledging the desire of the Management Association to the delight us 'til they have a chance to give-- >> Okay, does any Board Member object to pulling this line and go back to the Management Association? >> Unless there's any other time sensitive reason why it needs to be approved tonight. >> Can I just ask one other clarifying question because it's more procedural? It did go through our procedure and everybody did approve it. So, Ellen, would you accept the friendly amendment if it were approved tonight that we could revisit the next step at College Coordinating Council which would take it to fully 100 percent smoke free which was your next recommendation? >> Yes, I was gonna say the Management Association's position was that it'd be a smoke-free campus. Now, all of these discussion and activity took place before we understood or even knew that we had real serious problems with the budget so the issue of the cost of doing this designated areas didn't come up until the budget issues came up management said, we need to look at this again. >> Alright, I have heard nothing from a Board Member any objection [inaudible] the Management Association look at this. So unless the Board overrules, we're going to pull this and send it back and let the Management Association look at it. >> I don't mind you pulling it but I'm-- >> Alright. >> I'm ready to vote on it. >> Alright that's one objection. >> I was ready to vote when the students presented it. It was trying represent and honor the process. >> Okay. >> It sounds like-- >> I've got one. >> Make a motion. >> So I move we adopt the policy. [ Applause ] >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay, there's a motion and a second. Any further discussion? >> And I'll say, again, there's some going on here in the procedures or something that needs to be work through and its not like it can't come back to us again with the number of designated areas or the frequency of the cost or changes it have to happen when you work through that. So, I'm supportive of them continuing the work but obviously a lot of work has been done. I think the students have been very patient that this is a good example of working through the process because they proposed this, I think, two years ago. And we were all supportive then but said it's gotta go through the process and here we are. So that doesn't mean it can't be change but I think we had to support where we are and support and vote in favor of the policy. >> Alright, we have a motion and a second to approve the policy, any discussion? Alright, I recognize myself. I'm going to vote against this because I like the Management Association support a smoke-free campus. And if you remember, Mr. Martin, I made that motion at the last time it came up and through the [inaudible] meeting and through [inaudible] we just spent lots more time talking on it. I can't support it because I do not--I think we should have a smoke-free campus particular here in Pasadena where everything else is smoke free. >> Right. >> And I cannot tell you how many of my constituents have called me and told me how shock they were when they are on PCC campus and seeing all these people standing around smoking. So now, if they hit the designated area, they're gonna see even more people smoking. So I'm voting against it. >> I am too. >> Alright, Dr. Rey Castro? >> Let me say I plan to vote against it as well simply because out of respect for process. You know, we really do honor and respect request from the shared governance participants when they request items for review and we've been very diligent about that and to not honor the request of the Management Association for me just really is a break with our tradition. So while I support this policy, I wanna defer to the Management Association and give them the time they have requested to review this. >> Alright, are we ready to--Mr. Martin? >> I just want to--well, I'm actually, I'm being favor of smoke-free campus too. That's not what the policy that I understand went through the process that's here. I'd be open that coming back to us. In the meantime, everyday and now for the last year, students are walking from the parking structure across where the little coffee thing is in front of Shatford along that walkway and breathing secondhand smoke. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that is happening now and it's been happening daily. [ Applause ] >> They'd work to the process like we ask them too. I'm not sure what the hiccup here is with management because management always part of the process. I think we should support this and move in that direction and then ask you to continue on with the smoke-free campus. I'm totally in support of something like that. So, but this is where we are and I think this can free up some long power starting tomorrow if it were implemented. [ Applause ] >> For some of those people walking along those high traffic walk areas where people are within 20 feet of buildings and you can't get away from it. So I would ask people to support it for now and I encourage a revisit with the Management Association and everybody else to take the next step, that be great. >> Mrs. Wells-Miller? >> Yes, I wondered if Chief Peter Michaels was in the audience? >> He is. >> I would like to hear from him in regard to this smoking business from your standpoint. >> Chief Michaels? [ Silence ] >> Madam President and Board of Trustees, I can only speak to the enforcement of the policy and taking this step and having designated areas is much easier than 20 feet away from the buildings. But having a smoke-free campus would make it that much easier. We just don't have the staff to enforce this. Honestly we don't. >> You mean the way it stands now. >> Yes. >> This is easier than what we're doing now, this is what I think. >> This is easier than what we're doing now, yes. >> I thought that's what I heard. >> But it's not the easiest. Yes. >> But it's not the easiest. >> Thank you. Yeah, Brian? >> I personally would have to vote for it only because the alternatives I wouldn't support. The way things are now, I wouldn't support that honestly and I think that the smoke-free campus other than me being a non-smoker I would enjoy that. I do still feel that there are students, you know, who do smoke and [inaudible] campus. I don't think it's--I mean, I wouldn't think that that would be fair to them so I would have to vote for this one, for this particular item. >> Alright, are we ready--yes, Mr. Baum? >> I wanna speak on behalf of the beleaguered smokers around here, around here too. Even thought I support the policy I hope that there's actually when we designate the spaces that its not, you know, 6 miles away that there is some humane ways that we address the--give the smokers-- >> What I think is send them down to the USC Campus. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah. There you go. No, I mean that we do accommodate them in a way that doesn't impair their ability to get access to classes and instruction and resources at PCC. >> Mrs. Ligons. >> Yes, the hiccup that Mr. Martin was concerned about really isn't about a smoking versus non-smoking. The hiccup is we as managers were called to the table to make budget cuts and we did our very best. This policy calls for spending money to build designated smoking areas and management wanted to reconsider whether that was--whether is a lot of money or little bit of money considering where we are, is that what we should be doing at this time, that's the hiccup. >> Okay, the AS president are recognized. >> Just a point and clarification. By designated smoking as in building stuff. What kind of buildings are you thinking of? >> Oh, well, we--I don't--let's don't go there tonight. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Dr. van Pelt has a presentation ready for us and I think we're ready to--and I'm counting votes here. So are we all ready to vote advisory vote on this policy? >> Aye--yes, aye. >> Okay, I [inaudible] aye. All in favor of the policy on the smoking--smoke-free campus, no it's not smoke free, smoking on campus policy-- >> Yes it is not free. >> --please raise your hand. >> All in favor of the policy. >> All in favor of the policy. Okay, one, two, three. Opposed? Motion fails. Alright, so I would suggest that this go to the Management Association to let them review it and then it come back. Alright, next item is President's Report. Dr. Perfumo? >> Yes, you have the report before you. I'd like to point out there is a detailed Measure P update attached to the report. There is a lot of activity related to our new facilities. Our Industrial Technology Building has its first class being offered in it for summer intersession. I was over touring all of the facilities with our facility staff and our Measure P manager and the facilities are just looking fantastic and it was nice to see students already occupied one of the classrooms today and enjoying them. So you'll see all the rest of the details. We're moving quickly to get to our punch list and place where we really wrapping up the final stages on the ITB as well as the campus center and the bookstore and they will be ready in plenty of time for our August 28th ribbon cutting and ground breaking ceremony. Vision 2020, we have a lot of activity going on around that as well our educational master plan. Bob Miller is coordinating with the principal Mindy Craig from MIG and is contacting trustees to schedule some of the focus groups and meetings in you areas. Some of you have indicated you're ready to go now and so he will be coordinating with you to get some of those specifics detailed out and so we can get those announced and post it. Budget information I think we've beat that horse to death but I did give you a very lengthy explanation of what is going on currently at the state level and what came out of our CEO phone conference today. I do wanna also mention again that we do have on our website now Budget Watch which gives regular updates, all of the emails that we're receiving and the state updates from the link as well as the Chancellor's Office, those are posted there regularly and almost daily right now by one Juan Gutierrez so that we can keep that website current and continue to communicate to everybody what we are doing. In your packets at your places from [inaudible] tonight, you also have our KPCC survey which we need to have filled out. That's required by the FCC. So if you would be so kind just to fill those out and to get those returned to our office, then we can get those to KPCC to meet our requirements. And the rest of the report I think is pretty self explanatory in terms of the calendar and events. I would just like to close by saying I was sad that some of you weren't able to be at commencement. It was a beautiful, beautiful ceremony. We had a large number of students graduating. Our speaker was absolutely outstanding and I thought he did an extremely wonderful job as well. And so once again commencement was just the highlight of the year to see all those students walking across and getting their diplomas and was really a wonderful event. Thank you. >> Shared Governance Senate Report, Dr. Bickley. >> I too would like to compliment the team that put together the commencement proceedings and they--it was my first time to participate as senate president and I was touched by the occasion. I was very moved and I thought everybody did a spectacular job. I would like to just say that we're in tough times and it seems like we're all pulling together and we all have distinct roles on campus and I appreciate the spirit of cooperation amongst all groups. Hopefully, that will go forward I know we'll see tougher days. I was on the RAC Committee and we did vote to maintain a high level of reserve at 10 percent. And it was that high reserve that allowed us to weather this storm this year. We would have borrowed money, et cetera, but you borrow the money and you do have to pay it back by December, I understand, so not having that hanging over our heads I think will free us. And I asked the--I think it was at the coordinating council I said "Gee, you know, I don't think this is real popular with faculty." I kinda like being a little bit like the Student Trustee trying to explain their position on issue that might not be all that popular with everybody but anyway I just--I said what's the best argument here and one of our managers said "Well, we're prepared for even a worse year, possibly the next year. Now, and I don't you know, hopefully, we'll see the state legislature and governor cooperating some miraculous fashion. But if they don't we're in for a long haul and being prudent now might be well worth it in the long run, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Mr. Lindemann. >> At the Classified Senate we sworn three new represent--three new senators and next month we will be holding our elections just to see what job positions these people will hold. >> Thank you. >> Associated Students? >> The Associated Students Board just had its first meeting today and has begun its work on student success. >> Great. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Okay. Brian, do you have a report? >> Yeah, to pick up on what President John said, we--all our members were sworn in today so we now have an official Associated Student body for the coming year. And one of the--on our agenda, one of the big things that we're talking about is actually implementing a vice-president for environment affairs. >> Great. >> And that's one thing that we are discussing so we're gonna see if we can get a constitutional amendment for that and that's about it. >> Thank you. Mrs. Wells-Miller? >> Where are we? I just found. >> On your report, student report? Is that right? Dr. Bradbury-Huang. >> I recently received a request, it was actually through Mrs. Thompson that we go ahead and schedule in South Pasadena for a forum so they're ready to go. For some reason they're really gung-ho so, maybe even after this meeting we could connect so I can move forward on that. >> Yes. >> Great. >> Well, this is really--I guess I'm gonna just take the privilege of the chair as a report. I think our student trustee in his second meeting really survived the battle by far and I wanna tell you how proud I am for you [background applause] for standing up [inaudible]. Some of us have difficulty doing it after many years of this. Dr. Rey Castro? >> No report. >> Mr. Baum? >> A couple of things, I wanna extend my appreciation to the staff and the administration for a very successful commencement ceremony. It was inspiring to see all the folks who were graduating and the enthusiasm as well as to the Academic Senate for a wonderful breakfast that morning in honoring and being reminded how dedicated the faculty is to the students and to the institution. >> Last Saturday, just as an aside, was National HIV Testing Day and our assembly member Anthony Portantino organized a mobile HIV testing station at Vromans' Bookstore. I went and participated in that event and I learned that they come every--twice a week to Pasadena City College too and I'm pleased that we're participating in health awareness and was pleased speaking to them as well. And then I appreciate all the kind words and notes of encouragement about my confirmation to the board of governors that I'm now there for 6 year term so [applause] and I hope to continue to carry the--to represent Pasadena City College in our community well on that legislative body. >> Mr. Martin. >> I'm fine. Thank you. >> Alright. The next item is future board meeting dates. We have July 15th is our Summer Board Retreat at 3 o'clock. We don't have the place on here but I have requested that instead of meeting at the president's conference room we meet in--is it the terrace room? Is that what's thought? >> Yes, terrace room. >> Of the library. >> And we preserved it. >> And then there--we'll have our regular meeting in Wednesday. Any future agenda items? >> I have a good question. >> Yes. >> For the July 15th retreat, should I be going to that or is there a section I should go to? >> Part of it will open and you should come to that part but we'll be in executive section and I'll be at the end and we'll tell you when it's time to go. >> Okay. >> When everyone else leaves so, alright. We do have scheduled another closed session. I would like to ask the board to reconvene closed session for no more than 5 minutes, just 5 minutes. >> I just wanna say about future board meeting. >> Oh, I'm sorry, excuse me. >> I am--I regret to say that I will not be here on August 5th. >> Oh dear. >> And so-- >> Okay, alright. Anything else I was hurrying there? Anything else? And if not we will--we will adjourn to closed session and we will be back in just very, very few minutes, no more than 5. >> We may--I can't find my shoe. [ Laughter ] >> We're coming back. >> Don't worry. [Inaudible] in here. >> Yeah, we're going to closed session and then we'll be right back. [ Silence ]