>> Mr. Thompson. >> I'm present. >> Mr. Baum, Mr. Martin. >> Present. >> Ms. Brown. >> Present. >> Dr. Fellow. >> Present. >> Dr. Mann. >> Present. >> Mr. Pack. [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Okay, we have close session item that we're gonna move into to address 2 topics. Government Code Section 54957.6 Labor Negotiations PCCFA, CSEA 777, ISSU POA. Negotiators Mr. Engeldinger and Government Code Section 54957.6, Negotiation with Unrepresented Employees, Confidentials, Management Association. Again, Mr. Engeldinger is our negotiator. Is there anybody who wishes to address the board on the close agenda items? Non-appearing? We will now adjourn into close session and be back in open session at 7 o'clock this evening. Sorry. [ Silence ] >> I'd like to call back to order the meeting of the Pasadena City College Board of Trustees of September 1st, 2010. We have been in a close session and there is no reportable action from that close session. So we are now appointed the role call. Mrs. Thompson? That's right, you did indeed so we don't have to go back and redo that then. So we will go to the pledge of allegiance and I will ask Dr. Sugimoto to lead us in that please. >> Thank you president Thompson. If you would please? >> I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [ Noise ] >> Is there any public comment on non--excuse me, non-agenda items and I would know to the Brown Act precludes the Board from discussing or taking action on items that are not on the agenda. We may make a brief comment or ask questions but that's the extent of our ability to participate. So anybody want to address this on non-agenda items, okay, moving on lets now move next to reports from the board of trustees, any reports Mr. Baum? >> It's been so long since we last met, I don't know what to say. [ Laughter ] >> No report. >> Okay. Mr. Martin? >> No Reports. >> Dr. Mann? >> Nothing to report. >> Ms. Brown. >> Just one thing, I had the opportunity to attend welcome--students welcome at your Pasadena and this was quite a good event. It was exciting to see all the students all energized going from one table to another as they were provided the resources as to how to navigate to the system to give them a good day. I myself received quite a few valuable information which in one--like in 5 minutes I received so much information that took me about 6 months to get. So, it was a very good event and the staff was just as energetic and enthusiastic as the students. So, I applaud you for the good work. >> Good, thank you. Dr. Fellow? >> This has been a very challenging week as classes begin at the state universities. Most state universities closed our classes to two days ago which means students cannot enroll unless they're gonna graduate in January, it's very sad. The Chancellor said there's no state budget, there is just no money to continue operating and students, the vice president said that students will not be graduating unless they go to summer school now. There is just--and it's very difficult to explain this to students that you cannot operate without a budget. So I feel bad but I have to obey my boss. [ Laughter ] >> Mr. Pack? >> I will say also yes it has indeed been a challenging week also here at PCC for adding every single toss that I've had so far I saw an immense number of people trying to add. So I know that the efforts of Dr. Rocha and Dr. Jacobs and her team to extend class sizes were definitely helpful and were thankful for what we were able to accomplish with that. I do wanna report on the I-PASS for those of you that are familiar wit it. It's our amazing subsidized student transit program. And as a public transit user I'm very excited about it. But also particularly excited because I'll point out that in 3 days we sold more I-PASSes that we did cumulatively the entire last semester. So the program is being very well received. It's starting to take off and so last semester was sort of our test run but it's really something that students are loving. We have students that are asking for it all the time. Everybody that we introduce it to seems interested so it's great. And we're excited about that and I'll defer to you Jamie if everything else about Welcome Week. >> Okay. The I-PASS is a topic on the consent agenda this evening and maybe some questions about it at that time. So let's move now to the superintendent/president reports and then we'll go to shared governance representatives. >> Yes, thank you President Thompson. I just have one first brief item which is a noted gratitude. I wanted to thank all the faculty and staff and administration for successfully opening the 2010-2011 academic year, we're off and running and it's just a great week for us. And the second item is an introduction of a new appointment and I'll ask Vice President Jacobs to introduce our new acting dean of business. >> Thank you Mr. President. And I am delighted to introduce to you our--I would say professor and attorney Gary Woods. He will be the acting dean of the business and computer technology division. And the appointment is for the fall semester or until the position is filled. And he has accepted and we are delighted. So we would just like to say hello or [inaudible]. [ Laughter ] >> I just like to thank you for the opportunity to be able to represent Pasadena City College in a different capacity. You know, I've been here for forever. You know when I was a child I used to play in the mirror pools out here. And I--when I was in high school I was in the last graduating class when the high school was on the campus here and I graduated, when the first year I went up to Sierra Madre. And the tennis courts out here, the old ones, I was on a CIF tennis team that won the CIF championship for Pasadena High School. But, so this has been sort of my family and I came back later and I taught for 34 years and they can't seem to get rid of me, it's like little cockroach. [ Laughter ] >> I will do the very best I can to represent this college and hopefully the business department as I told Dr. Rocha, you know, perhaps it will be like [inaudible] where, you know, your noted statewide, sports wise and your good academically but we wanna be the best. And so that hopefully will be my objective and hopefully by the end you'll be proud that you hired me. And I appreciate all the time and I left the--you know Edward [inaudible] I left him at a restaurant. >> Yeah I know. [ Laughter ] >> So I told him I'll be back a little while and I just appreciate your time, thank you very much. >> Well thank you, congratulations, glad to have you on board. [ Applause ] >> Thank you. >> Hey Wood, I'll see you in the gym. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah, thank you. >> Okay, shared governance representatives? >> Well before he sneaks out we like to welcome Gary to the Management Association and we're glad to have him and like he said he's part of the unofficial morning workout groups. We usually see each other in the gym early in the morning. I just like to report that the Management Association we're having out first meeting, our fall meeting September 20th at noon for the full group. And then shortly after that the executive board is gonna be meeting with Dr. Rocha for the first time. We're excited about that. And we'd also like to point out that we are now have a web page that's linked to the staff services page of the Pasadena City College home page and so we are now up and running online, you can actually find us now. And so we hope to be able to post information about the Management Association on the web page. >> Wonderful. Mr. Martinez? >> Just the Academic Senate will meet for the first time on Monday September the 13th and that's it for today. >> Ms. Smith? >> Classified Senate met today and in regards to accreditation response number 5 all points on Classified Senate's self-evaluation were unanimously approved and will be submitted to the district. >> Okay. >> Great. >> Ms. Hammond? >> Yes. We are currently in our Week of Welcome and so first we'd like to thank all those of you who had come by and said hi to our students. >> We're having a really great turnout so far. We began the application process to start forming our committees and so I just think that the way things have been although--students have been having trouble with adding their classes at least when they come outside to the quad I think that they're having a pretty good time with the free food and the festivities that we've been offering. And, yeah, oh and in addition to that, so all of you know the AS board will be battling our Improv Troupe Club on campus and that's gonna be in the Vosloh Forum on Friday and you're all invited to come as well. Thank you. >> Good. Okay, approval of consent items is next on the agenda. Are there specific items to be address separately, Mr. Baum? >> 40-B, 30-P, and 34-P. Oh, we don't need to do 34-P 'cause we just do that. So 40-B and 30-P. >> 40-B and 30-P. >> Correct. >> Any other items to be addressed separately? Okay. Can we at least get a motion to approve the other consent items? >> I move. >> Motion to approve? >> Is there a second? >> I'll second the motion. >> Okay. Any discussion on the other consent items? Advisory vote? >> Are we gonna have discussion? >> I said on other items. The motion does not include 40-B or 30-P. Okay. The consent there, excuse me, advisory vote. >> With those two consent items excluded the advisory vote is aye. >> Okay. All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All oppose? Okay, the motion carries. Now let's address 40-B as a separate item. >> I wanna do--raise this for discussion and get a little bit of background from the administration. A couple questions I have and I want the students to weigh in. The process that came to this sorts it's a ratification as opposed to approving in advance and the nature of what the cost more specifically will be to the district to enter into this agreement. [ Silence ] >> Do you want-- >> So I'm asking for the administration. >> Okay. >> To say first of all this is coming in as ratification and so--and it's a significant expenditure so I just wanted some background on the timeline that--how this came as ratification as opposed to discussion in advance and then to get it more detail in the cost to the district. >> Right. Thank you Trustee Baum. In turning it over to Vice President van Pelt, you know, I did have the vice president write a background there and so Vice President van Pelt would you please respond. >> Okay, the first issue in regards to timing and what we did this time is we have expanded the program from Metropolitan Transportation Authority to also include Foothill because of course we have Foothill Transit on the campus. It required Foothill Transits board to approve negotiations with PCC. That did not occur until very, very late in July at which point we began to process the discussions with Foothill and then came to an agreement with Foothill. It also require that MTA does the printing of the actual passes and they required two weeks lead time prior to issuing them and it required having the Foothill logo on the MTA pass so it have both logos. So by the time that the--we entered into the agreement with Foothill, the agenda had already been set for the last board meeting but we have to start selling these or we would have lost the momentum and therefore it turned into ratification. >> And then what will be the financial impact to the district? >> The maximum financial impact and because as no impact mentioned we then sold 1272 so that translates to 37,000 dollars. So the initial impact is about 130,000 dollars less the 37 thousand so we're into about 91, 92, 93,000 dollars maximum impact at this point. 50 percent of which comes from the student activity fee. To balance, the other 50 percent comes from the student parking--the parking fund. So it does not come out of the unrestricted general fund. >> And then I wanna express some concerns to the students and the audience 'cause this--we approved this last fall and I mean last spring at the request of the Associated Students and my assessment from what I understand, we kinda took a back [phonetic] on the project to--I don't know what the impact was ultimately but it seemed to be at least 50,000 dollars and it could be up about a hundred thousand dollars that we took district revenue. And even though it comes from parking that displaces funds for improved campus security and other things that we could be using those funds for to improve lighting or security for our students in the parking lots and things like that. Now, is that money that we have for parking being taking away from any other activities that you know? So for--we're gonna spend 45,000 dollars here, does that remove funds from another purpose that we might otherwise be able to devote to other campus improvements. >> Well, of course, the parking fund is specifically restricted to both parking lots and mass transit. So it's, by code, usable for both. We can do parking lot repairs and so forth but we've done most of that. We are in the process now of improving parking lot security through cameras. That's already been funds that have been set aside for that. The reality is that it really does help our parking situation in terms of sustainability by having more people taking mass transit so it benefits the students and it benefits the district. >> And so, what are the students going to do to make sure that there's the maximum amount of passes are sold. I mean, no one shared improve numbers this year. What are we gonna do to try to get to that magical 2000 plus number? >> Well, now that we're at, you know, 1200 within the first 3 days I don't think 2000 is very far off. We've increased a ton in terms of visibility from the first time we did the program. As some of us may recall, when we pass the program the first time by the time it got started we were well into this spring semester and so we have really lost a lot of the opportunity for students to access that pass. Many of them probably felt, oh I've missed X number of weeks already. What's the point now? So I think we've already seen what kind of impact and [inaudible] students can buy it within the first couple of days. It's wonderful. And then now that we sort of got this down to--I don't wanna say down to a science, we're still getting the hang of it but at some point when I spoken with Dr. van Pelt about this. We'd like to integrate this with online registration so that every single students [inaudible] at PCC has an opportunity to purchase the I-PASS as they're registering for classes. You know, hopefully in its own window somehow so that students can read a little bit about it as they're going to the registration process. And I think that even if students don't buy it at that moment they'll at least be cognizant of it and they'll purchase it later so that's one thing. I know that the number is really big. I'd also like to point out to that other colleges do the I-PASS and the Los Angeles City College District I-PASS seemed magical to me. How did they provide it for so cheap for all 9 colleges? And as I dug a little bit deeper to understand why they were able to do that, their I-PASSes funded through a bond or a grant of some kind that's going to expire next year so they don't know where that money is gonna come from anymore which is awful for their students who come to depend on this pass. And so I think we're in a uniquely fortunate situation that we've developed a sustainable funding source for our I-PASS that students can, you know, come to rely on as opposed to something that just make you fall out from under their feet one day. It really--I think it has potential to be a cornerstone service that PCC offer to students. >> I'm also hoping as acknowledged at some point by the Associate Students is that the fact that the trustees did actually set aside these resources because what happened last spring which was a little personally frustrating to me was that we devoted almost a hundred thousand dollars toward this program at the request of the students and I praise the student leadership for doing it, then the students would then question we don't have money for this or that and other expenditures and why did you make those decisions. And this is a cognizant decision by the trustees and the administration toward supporting sustainability efforts on the district and I hope that that is acknowledged. One last question that I have is which will lead into your taking this funding out of the student activities fee that we also approve to empower the students to take initiatives like this. How did you decide to make this allocation? Do you have a public process where students can actually participate and be aware of how these funds are being spent and what kind of reaction are you getting? >> Well, the funds are being spent in an open student services fund meeting and so the students do have the ability to come and speak on those issues. >> But also just in setting up the tables during Welcome Week, it's not an exaggeration to say that every other student just about that has come up to our table has requested where to buy, a Metro I-PASS or asking more information about it. And we have dissuaded students from purchasing a parking pass to buying the Metro I-PASS and so we've seen this I-PASS just explode comparing to last semester. And so, we're very, very confident about this I-PASS and what's it's going to do. And so we, I would say that it's arguably the most thought after service that we have on campus right now and it's only bound to get better. >> I just am please to see. But I hope that we also have a chance to review the use of the student activity fee in a public way so that everybody--there's a transparency about how the decisions for allocations are made by that fee. And I don't disagree that this is a good purpose for it but I wanna make sure it's public and transparent. >> Mr. Martin? >> This is a retroactive item so this discussion that we're having is a little bit conceptual. It seems to me that the whole parking fund as an I-PASS is a part of that should come back as a future agenda item some later time after we've had a comprehensive assessment where we can get report that explains how much was spent. Another alternative with parking money is to lower the parking cost to the students. If we actually have extra parking funds, we could lower their price of either the day pass or the semester pass. And in that context, it might be worth it to the students to pay a few dollars more to subsidize the I-PASS so that those that do buy the parking permit can find a parking place. So that's a difficult decision to make on concept. I think we need to make it on details. I think we need to see a full report after its not just gone through this experimental phase but the whole semester and see how all of this is chunking out and where we can save students perhaps on parking or at least improving parking. >> Dr. Mann >> Yes. I also have a comment which is based on process, not necessarily a concept. It was my understanding that this was a pilot and we were going to have a report on how it went and I know we had a transition and leadership during the summer and I assumed this is one of the things that probably didn't get done. But I was expecting to hear, you know, in more detail or--well actually there would be an analysis of this since it was--that's what usually happens when you have a pilot. Not that it would be continued and expanded. Also I am a little concern that we are, you know, we are ratifying this. I do understand that the tickets had to be print or so on but I think everyone knows about the first day when classes began that's [inaudible], well, 2 years in advance. And I think it's really important that we try to bring this to the board. This is an awful lot of money to ratify and it's not that I don't support the use of it and I understand the funding but I don't think I recall ratifying what is it? A hundred thousand dollars, it's over a hundred thousand dollars. And I think if we had had the report on the pilot program, we might have been able to get ahead of this. I understand there are difficulties in negotiations but there I just feel that the board was kinda left out of a loop on this. >> Other comments or questions, Mr. Pack? >> I will say also the process on this has been unfortunate in the sense that we're still getting the hang of it really. This is a new program for PCC and so we know that--and Michael [inaudible] in this project last semester has been in process of handing it off to Matilda [phonetic], he's in the audience, and then myself. And so we've been working him and, again, it is--it's still very much a growing project at PCC. And so, if this is something that we want to discuss as Trustee Martin suggested where, you know, how we can reallocate money for the parking fund and so on, I had this request that, if I may as it relates to the I-PASS, that we try to do it relatively early because one of the problems that we ran into as I said before is the later we go the less likely it is that we'll be able to promote it early. And as we've seen, the earlier we promote it the most successful it is. >> If we are going to bring this back for a board discussion, Dr. Rocha, when would you recommend the appropriate time to do that? October, November? >> October would be fine. I think, you know, the thing here is we need to do some work. I obviously will be happy to bring back a full report on the previous--on the assessment of the previous project. It's important for us to make that report so that we can get the guidance of the board as to whether this is a budget item or whether this is a sustainability item, okay. And what is driving the decision here. So we will--I will make the assessment, I do apologize for not picking it up and bringing the assessment forward. But yes, President Thompson, I think by the second meeting in October we can bring back that report and then get clear guidance for next year's negotiation. >> Are there other questions Mr. Martin. >> I do. I'm unclear when the existing--this ratification--what time period is this for? Is this for a year or is this just for fall? >> Fall semester. >> This is just for fall? >> Yes sir. >> Other questions or comments? Is there a motion to approve the ratification to ratify this and I think at least implicit and not explicit and that would be that this will be a future agenda item, the second meeting October to enable us to do an analysis and evaluation of the program. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Second. >> Okay move in the second, any further discussion? Mr. Pack credit for the motion. >> It doesn't matter to me, I'm-- >> Okay, so moving in to second advisory vote. >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed. Motion carries. 30-P was the other report I believe. >>Yeah, I just had a question about the stipends for academic personnel and I saw stipend for a for a division dean, an acting division dean for 4 days and I just--it's a more of a process issue. Do we not have backups for our deans that we could call upon so that we don't have to contract out for additional stipend cost? My understanding, my hope was that there might be somebody that could fill in for 4 days until the leadership is established. So I wanted to clarify that. >> Vice President Jacobs. >> Okay, no. We do not have anyone to stand in. When a dean is on vacation, another dean will act in the dean's place for various things. But for the types of things that we need to have happen at the beginning of a semester we don't have any assistant deans, we only have coordinators that are release time for faculty but at the beginning of the semester we--they are not on board. They come on board with the beginning because we don't have them in the intercessions at all. So we wanted to have assistant deans or someone who could do that type thing. But other than the next person would be the clerical, the secretary too but no other than that. >> That was [inaudible] and I was hoping to see that there was a sufficient backup in place for the deans but maybe the Management Association could advocate for the--for additional layers of support 'cause I know how hard the deans all work and so-- [ Laughter ] >> Move approval. >> We'd be happy to do that. >> Second? Second to approve 30-P? >> Second. >> Then moving in second, any further discussion? Advisory vote? >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed. The motion carries. I believe that takes care of the consent items. The next item is Selection of Trustee Area 5: Discussion with Possible Action. I will report that the Ad Hoc Advisory Board Member Vacancy Committee, I think is what we're calling it, consisting of Trustee Berlinda Brown, Trustee Dr. JeanetteMann and myself met this afternoon and considered the 10 applications that we received. I think we would certainly say that the applications we received were from people who are quite well qualified to serve in a position. We had staff that checked them to make certain that each person who applied actually lives in Area 5 and is registered to vote there and all of the procedural prerequisites are met. >> So having said that, the recommendation of the subcommittee is after reviewing the 10 applications and we are commending that we bring forward to the 6 boards member, trustees and the advisory trustee, the following 5 people to interview at a public meeting. And we are recommending that of the 10 people that, I'm just going though this in alphabetical order, that we interview Benjamin Figueroa, Melinda Hsia, Adam Murray, Linda Wah and Warren Weber. And we are also recommending that we do this at a special public board meeting to be held on September 14, a time and place to be determined. The hope being and a thought being that we meet on the 14th which is a Tuesday evening. We will be able to have the interviews and would then have a period of time to consider this and then it would be on the agenda for the following night, the 15th, for action discussion with possible action by the board so. >> Could you repeat the five names again, please? >> Yes. Benjamin Figueroa, excuse me, Melinda Hsia, it's H-S-I-A, you pronounce it as Shah, Adam Murray, Linda Wah and Warren Weber. And we can have, I mean I don't know whether Dr. Mann or Ms. Brown would like to add something to that but-- [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Oh I'm sorry, Nolan, yeah, thank you Jeanette for correcting me. Nolan Pack was also there. I apologize to our student trustee and contributed quite significantly and very passively to the discussion. So I appreciate that. >>Would you have anything to add? >> But do, Berlinda or Jeanette anything to add? >> The only thing that I would add was I think that I was very favorably impress with the quality of all 10 applicants and we had a really nice kind of choice when you're trying to choose the best out of a good group rather than trying to find, you know, good people. So, I would like to thank you all the people who applied and put together the application and respondent and I think all of them would--were all well qualified and we probably would not have gone wrong if we had to pick anyone. I think, I agree that we did pick the 5 that we thought would best serve the college and best fit the criteria's advertised. But we got a tremendous outpouring from the community and I think we should thank everyone who puts their name forward. >> Berlinda, anything to add? >> No actually. Jeanette said it very well. We had quite a few excellent candidates and it was actually difficult to go though them because they're all good but, again, we could take a few so I appreciate each applicant and we will move forward. >> Nolan, anything to add? >> I'll just say I'm very impressed with the way that this candidates look on paper and I cannot wait for the special meeting when we actually get to speak with them and ask them questions. That's gonna be very exciting >> Any questions other members of the board of trustees? >> Let me ask the question. Are you all available on Tuesday evening, the 14th of September to have a meeting? >> I don't here anybody saying no so-- >> Wait, wait, wait, well, give us a chance to check. >> Okay. [ Laughter ] >> Mr. Thompson? >> Yes. >> While they're checking, I would like to also to say that I think Mrs. Thompson did an excellent job of receiving this and she was very helpful to us during the interview, had a tremendous pile of information on everyone. Everything was very--everything was well organized and it made our work much easier. >> Amen. She certainly did, that's very helpful. >> What time of day are we looking at? >> My thought would be another evening meeting, maybe a 6 o'clock, 6:30 something like that. I anticipate this gonna take at least 2 hours and perhaps as long as 3 but certainly with 5 people and questions and we have, well, to decide how long to give person that I think you have to expect we're gonna be at least a couple of hours. Okay. Any objections to meeting at say 6 o'clock? Okay, is there a motion to approve recommendation of the Ad Hoc Board Member Vacancy Committee that we will interview on September the 14th beginning at 6 o'clock? [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Second. >> Okay, Benjamin Figueroa, Melinda Hsia, Adam Murray, Linda Wah and Warren Weber. Okay, we're moving to seconded, any discussion? Advisory vote? >> Aye. >> All in favor please say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much. >> I just wanna say for the record, the echo [phonetic]--the comments. It was great to see the caliber of individual that put themselves forward and a real testament to the commitment of the community to the district. And also I wouldn't wanna face any of those candidates in a regular election for a board member 'cause they certainly would be--have formidable credentials so I was very pleased to see that. >> No, they were all were. We attend the applications as I said and all were very, very well qualified competent individuals with [phonetic] different backgrounds and perspective and so we will see where we go from here. The next item on the agenda is a public hearing regarding the 2010-2011 initial bargaining and proposal from the Pasadena Area Community College District to the Pasadena City College Faculty Association. Dr. Rocha, do you have anything to say before we open the public hearing? >> No, we presented the proposal and it's been out since the last meeting and tonight is the hearing. We welcome comments of any kind as we head to our first meeting with the faculty association. >> Okay, the public hearing is now opened. Is there anybody who wishes to address the board with respect to this item? >> Motion to close public hearing. >> Okay. I will exercise my tremendous authority here and say the public hearing is closed and that is I think as far as we need to go with this item this evening. The next item on the agenda will be right along here is future board meeting dates. >> Move we said a board meeting date for Wednesday, September 14? >> Tuesday. >> September 14th. I don't think we need to move it. >> We've already done that. That was a part of the motion that was passed. I think we were all set with that. September 15 and October 6. Okay. Future agenda items. >> Wait, I do have something on this October 6 meeting. It's--and I'm not sure here, at the retreat we discussed having one board meeting a month or every so often as a study session. Was October 6 regular meeting or was that going to be a study session, Dr. Rocher, I don't recall. >> It's regular meeting I believe >> Well, I think I still want to consult with President Thompson but my sense is that the recommendation would be that the 6 would be a regular meeting. >> Okay. >> That the first meeting in the month would be a regular meeting and that the following meeting whenever reschedule would be the study session meeting. >> Thank you. >> We may just elaborate on that for the benefit of the people who were not at the retreat and you might take a moment to explain that we did have a thoughtful discussion and the belief is that we need to have more opportunities just to whether it'd be a study session or whatever you wish to call it where we can talk about things that are important to the college without having to be faced with time constraints and decision making and that sort of things. So, that was the thought behind having what we called a study session in the second meeting of each month. Okay. Future agenda items? >> Yes, I have a comment or question, maybe clarification for that matter. Contract Ed, I have requested to put that on the agenda. I see here September '10 is that what I'm understanding that it will be on the agenda for September? Or am I misreading that? [ Noise ] >> I'm sorry, let us--what was the item that you mentioned again please? >> Contract education. I requested it in March. I see here September of 2010 is that when we go to hear or is this just a, I'm not sure what that is, Dr. Rocha? >> I'm sorry Trustee Brown. I just caught up to the paper [phonetic]. Again, which was the item Trustee Brown? >> Contract Education. >> Contract Education. >> It's on the second--it's on the back. >> Yeah, the back. [ Noise ] >> At the bottom. >> There it is right here. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Well, two things I'd say, Trustee Brown, I'd appreciate you raising that to my attention. First, September has just begun so we have some time to bring that to a formal meeting. This is part and partial of the Ed Master Plan which we spoke--spoke of contract education, the plan for will fit into the larger educational master plan. And so I think at the next meeting on the 15th, I'm certainly open to agendizing a report and discussion of you're open to that or perhaps at the October 6 meeting. >> Okay, anyone will do. >> Mr. Martin? >> Well, the way this process is supposed to work, the fact that its on the back page under first discussion without staff time, means that its just up to the Board President for these items to put them on the agenda. The administration is not supposed to have to prepare anything and the trust, it gives the Trustee an opportunity to better defined their interests, concerns and thoughts to which we as a board then decide should staff time be allocated and resources spent to accomplish that goal? So all these items on the back page, I think Mr. President, you just need to work through an agenda had we known that tonight's agenda would have been as it is, as to think as it is, this would have been a wonderful meeting to pick up some of these just so Trustees could explain what they're doing and give you a little better direction for staff time for the future. So I think that's the concept the way this document is supposed to work. So it's just trying to give her some time to express it. You're not supposed to have to worry until the next time when it comes back. [ Laughter ] >> I can worry if I wanted to. >> You can worry-- [ Laughter ] >> You can worry ahead, that's okay. It's okay to worry ahead. But your not suppose to have to worry too. You get better definition from the whole board as to where the resources were supposed to go. >> We will not to prevent Dr. Rocha from worrying. >> That's right. [ Laughter ] >> Mann? >> Yes, I would like to give a point out in--when Ms. Brown raises about the Contract Education. You know, I think it's really important that we understand what the, you know, the difference on the front and the back. Also I noticed there's 12 items here that were identified for coming before the board on September--in September. And since we've already had our first meeting in September, I doubt if we're gonna take up 12 at the second meeting. And the other thing I might suggest is some of these have been on here for a long time. Maybe the trustees who requested this might wanna look at them and see if they're still pertinent or maybe we've already address this and we can take this off. Otherwise, it becomes like a burden on the board president, at least I felt that way looking at all of these and knowing that my colleagues had wanted something to discuss and been waiting a year with [inaudible] around to it. >> Mine was discussed Saturday so you can remove that one. >> That one. [ Laughter ] >> He's absolutely right, that can be removed. >> Right. >> And Dr. Mann [inaudible] I'd like to take two of them off the list. On the front page, the CT update inclusive of the EMP Dr. Rocha and the administration are actively engaged in updating the EMP so that could be removed. That doesn't need to be on board Jen [phonetic]. And the method by which enrollment numbers are computed and reported to the state, that was already dealt with at the previous board meeting so that could be removed from that list. >> Are there items, future agenda? >> I'd be happy to remove mine on delegation of authority on purchase orders because as we discussed at our board retreat, the superintendent is working on some triaging of what should fall where and that is obviously part and parcel of that. So, you could take it off this list and it'll come back with his full report. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Anything else? >> And I think the quarterly study sessions which Dr. Bradbury-Huang that has been addressed at the retreat, we discussed study sessions. So that could be taken off and I wonder the other two items, board expenditures and more transparency on the presidency expenditures in which Dr. Bradbury-Huang had requested back in October of 2009 which is almost a year ago and she's no longer on the board and we have never said why we wanted to talk it and so on. But we do have, under my agenda, item disclosure of compensation for board and executive team. So maybe that, you know, maybe that covers those. >> Okay. >> Looks like there's a redundancy there. >> Well, may I make a suggestion here that why not you let-- >> Okay. >> Dr. Rocha and myself review this and then come back with recommended items to take off that's based upon our retreat discussion and what we've heard this evening and the things like that. >> I think that's--I think that's really good. >> Delightful to get--delighted to get any input from all of you. And one thing I wanted to--I do have on here the having meetings in the district other than where we are right now and I don't think its practical thing. We're gonna take that up on our next September meeting but I'm thinking perhaps the first study session that would be a good topic to address because I think it's important that we get out to other parts of the district when we can. So anything else for a future agenda items, something that's not on here? Okay. Before we bring this to almost unheard off timely close, anything Ms. Chapman, we--anything else? >> Thank you, no, thank you. >> Mr. Engeldinger? >> No. >> Dr. Sugimoto? >> Thank you but no thanks. >> Okay. Mr.--Dr. Wilcox? >> No. >> Dr. Jacobs? >> No. >> Dr. van Pelt? >> One thing I would say is that we did open the West Gateway on Monday. >> Yes. >> And it's serving its purpose very nicely. >> Okay. That is very nice and we certainly owe you a great deal of appreciation for the good work of getting it done and if you only [inaudible] times so that [inaudible]. Anybody else Mr. Miller? Ms. Kollross? >> We're good. >> Good, anybody else guys? I can't believe this. We are adjourned. [ Noise ] [ Silence ]