[ Silence ] [ Inaudible Discussions ] >> Okay, let's call to order the meeting of the Board of Trustees. Ms. Thompson, would you call a roll, please. >> Mr. Thompson. >> I am here. >> Mr. Baum, Mr. Martin. >> Here. >> Ms. Brown. >> Here. >> Dr. Fellow. >> Here. >> Dr. Mann. >> Present. >> Ms. Wah. >> Present. >> Mr. Pack. >> Here. >> Okay. We now are on the point of public comment on Closed Session agenda items and we have one request from I believe Mr. Martin Mejia. I apologize when I'm pronouncing the last name incorrectly from CSCA to address the Employee-Employer Relations Closed Session item. >> Sir? >> Good Afternoon! Thank you. My name is Martin Mejia, Senior Labor Relations Representative with California School Employees Association and as of the last thirty minutes or so, it is my understanding that a couple of items on the--that were scheduled to be heard tonight have been pulled off the agenda. >> That's correct. >> And they will not be heard or discussed so I just wanted to confirm that. >> That it is correct and Mary [inaudible] is not yet here. Can you tell us Mark which of the ones have been--are being taken off? She is on her way here but she's not here yet. >> Okay. >> Let's see. Actually, no I can't President Thomson. Let me-- >> There's only one left on I know that. >> So, Rick, did you--I think you had conferred with the council about which three were--were being taken off. >> You want me to go through the names or you want me to leave--just mention the one that's still on. >> Just mention the one that's still on, I think that's probably the best to do. >> Raul Gomez is still on. >> The rest of them are off. >> Okay, okay well, I just wanted to confirm that so thank you very much. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to address the board with respect to Closed Session items? We have our Closed Session Agenda Conference with our Government Code Section 54956.9 (b1), Conference with Legal Counsel regarding anticipated litigation (three cases). Government Code Section 54957, Appointment/Employment of Public Employees, Interim Vice President, I'll not go through and read all those. Government Code Section 54957 Employee Evaluation (Superintendent-President). Government Code Section 54957 Public Employee Appointments: Librarian, Radiologic Technology and Music Laboratory/Library. Government Code Section 549.57 Employee Discipline, Dismissal, Release (1 employee), 54957.6 Collective Bargaining (PCCFA, CSEA 777, ISSU, POA) Mr. Engeldinger is the negotiator and Government Code Section 54957.6 Negotiation with Unrepresented Employees (Confidentials, Management Association) again Mr. Engeldinger is the negotiator. If there's someone else wishing to address the board on Closed Session items, we will adjourn into Closed Session and come back to Open Session at 6:30 this evening. [ Pause ] [ Inaudible Discussion ] >> The Board of Trustees is back in Open Session. There is no reportable action taken during the Closed Session so let us begin if we may then please with the Pledge of Allegiance and let's ask Ms. Hammond if she will lead us in that. [ Noise ] >> Repeat after me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all. [ Noise ] >> Okay, the next item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes, the Regular Business Meeting of May 18th, 2011. Are there any additions or corrections to the minutes or questions to be asked? >> I have a--I have a correction. >> Okay. >> If I can find them. This is on page 3 where it says, Dr. Jeanette Mann, Trustee Attended the Student Success Task Force Meeting where the reduction of the number of times a student could repeat a course was discussed. That should be attended The Board of Governors Meeting. And then the second bullet should say, attended the Student Success Trustee. It's just--we just dropped one of the subjects. >> Okay, any other corrections or additions? Questions about the minutes on the meeting on May 18th if not is there a motion to approve as amended? >> So moved. >> I'll second. >> Moved by Dr. Fellow, and seconded by Ms. Brown on student advisory, vote please. >> Aye. >> All in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed? Motion carries. Back now to the introduction of guests, are there any guests that we would like to introduce? I see. >> Not invited. [ Inaudible Discussion ] >> Okay, announcements and recognitions, Board of Trustees, any? I attended the Veterans Memorial Day Ceremony on campus last Thursday and it was a very impressive ceremony, very, very nicely done and I--it got actually--actually got quite positive coverage in the past in Star News. It was really very moving experience and so I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to represent the Board of Trustees at that meeting and I wanted everyone to be aware of that. >> And also trustee Wah and I we attended the community at center--what was that that we attended? Oh, the ceremony. They were launching Larry Carroll High School Ceremony which was real nice. The students were very excited to receive their diploma and their recognition so it was quite nice. >> Okay, any other announcements or reports from the Board of Trustees, recognitions, Ms. Wah? >> I just wanted to say I attended the English and the Language Awards Ceremony and it was really great. It was really nice and very, very promising young students who got their awards. >> Okay, Superintendent/president? >> Yes, thank you President Thomson and members of the board. I have two brief recognitions and first, I'd like to call forward Joy Brittain and the students from Upward Bound and today we would like to put a human face on the Upward Bound Program. You will notice in your consent items, I'm sure you noticed that there are several consent items for Upward Bound, it's an extremely important program in the college and Joy directs it and I just wanted to have Joy come forward, tell us a little bit about the program, and do a little shout out for Upward Bound. >> The Upward Bound programs are federally funded through the Department of Education and there are actually Upward Bound Programs that are here on the PCC campus. Upward Bound Classic has been part of the PCC Community since 1995 and the Math/Science Upward Bound which I direct has been here since 1999. We service the Pasadena Unified School District and then two schools in the El Monte Union School District, Arroyo and Mountain View High School. For the past four years, both programs have had a hundred percent graduation rate from high school. We've had a hundred percent college enrollment rate and we have had over 80 percent persistence rate to graduation from college since the inception of both our programs on the PCC community, and we're also privileged to be part of the College Access Foundation of California we--with wonderful help and assistance through the Grants Office, Nancy Roberts. We wrote for and received a grant and actually wrote again, and we received a grant again for several grants. And so we're able to give our students each year up to 90,000 dollars worth of grant scholarship money so that they're able to attend the colleges that they wanna go to, but you don't wanna hear about me. You wanna hear about this young man. Ernesto Jimenez, a graduate of Pasadena High School came to us during his junior year. Ernesto was actually struggling in his classes and was not making the best decisions that were the best for his life. He realized that and decided that it might be a good decision for him and applied. We accepted Ernesto and then put his spirit to the test, and we did this to a very challenging, extremely challenging course that we have. PCC has been wonderful in allowing collaborations to occur both inside the PCC community and outside with Math/Science Upward Bound and we were able to bring a special collaboration with Johns Hopkins University through a special program called Engineering Innovations. And what that is it's a freshmen level engineering class that is usually taught to the freshmen level--freshmen students at Johns Hopkins University at their Whitney School of Engineering brought here during the summertime. So many of the community students from the private schools who pay a tuition will come and it's a joint effort between Math/Science Upward Bound, PCC, the Engineering Department, and then Johns Hopkins. So the community students will pay tuition but our Math/Science Upward Bound students are able to do that program for free through the use of Math/Science Upward Bound. And it is a very difficult course. It's a semester course literally put down into five weeks. These students live, eat, and breathe engineering for five weeks, day in and day out, and we decided to test Ernesto by putting him and to see if he really wanted to go into engineering and put him in this class. And he was competing with students from the best of the best private schools in the Pasadena and surrounding areas. And Ernesto realized that he was just as smart and just as good as any other student in that program. And because of that, his life changed. He was accepted to Cal State Northridge and also to UC Riverside but decided to come here to PCC to do engineering. He wasn't sure which engineering he wanted to so he started out with civil engineering then changed to mechanical engineering and then finally settled with chemical engineering, and has been a wonderful addition to our program because he came back and was a tutor for several of our students during the program, and then he also was part of a special project. We had a special pilot project that we're doing with supplemental instruction. And as you know, supplemental instruction is a college-level support service but we took it down to the high school level and Ernesto was part of that. We found out a few weeks ago? A few weeks ago that Ernesto was, as you can see, accepted to MIT. >> Wow! [ Laughter ] [ Applause ] >> He was accepted to MIT and more importantly, he was accepted with a full ride to MIT. >> Alright now! >> Wow! [ Applause ] >> And then to put a feather on everyone's cap, not only Math/Science Upward Bound but PCC. Ernesto was also accepted for an internship at Caltech and so he's gonna be doing that the summer before going out to MIT, and he's gonna be studying with--in a geophysics department at Cal Tech. So this is just one but a wonderful success story about the Upward Bound Programs and what we're able to do when we work together. So I thank you for giving us this opportunity and if you'd like-- >> Well, let's hear from Ernesto. >> Good afternoon! I'm thankful to Joy because she is the one that brought me into the program when I was really struggling. If it weren't for her, I wouldn't--I wouldn't have probably studied engineering because she brought me in to the Engineering Innovation Course that really motivated me to study engineering. And when I was here at PCC when I was a student here, she gave me a job to be a tutor and she provided me with everything I needed so I could succeed and accomplish my goals and transfer to MIT. >> Great! >> That's wonderful. Certainly, a little bit biased but I think you certainly have chosen the proper engineering curriculum. [ Laughter ] >> But good luck to you! We're sure you'll do very, very well at MIT and we thank you very much for doing so well here and we wish you the best in your life to come. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Dr. Rocha. >> Yes. Thank you President Thomson. Is Ibrahim Naeem here today? >> Yes, on the back. He's in the back over there. >> Oh, Ibrahim. Would you come forward? You know, in fact, let me take a point, a brief point of privilege and [inaudible] good friend and colleague Ibrahim Naeem from CEC. But trustees and members of the college community, like you, we were deeply disturbed, deeply disturbed to learn over the past couple of weeks that two Qurans were burned on this campus. It is not an act of free speech. It is an act of cowardice and we cannot tolerate it. So I joined with several colleagues and said "What could we do that there is darkness?" You know, when you do something like that, there is darkness. And how can we spread some light? And thanks to Ibrahim he said for, you know, can we get two new Qurans and he was kind enough to obtain them and gift them to us, and we are going to put these two Qurans on permanent display in the C Building and continue to expand this as a display for religious toleration and display not just the Quran but the bibles and religious text from every religious tradition. And so we wanted to say that because--and thank the board for its support in doing this, and I'm so grateful to Ibrahim for his leadership and ask him to say a few things in terms of his very, very loving gift to the college. >> Thank you very much. And while it was disturbing to hear of the Quran burning, it's certainly a teachable moment. >> And so, I thought this was an appropriate thing for the president to request and I was happy to comply. He mentioned in his e-mail that maybe I would mark a particular verse and I failed to do that but I did wanna share something that I'm doing just as a part of my living. This is a flyer that's published by some of the Muslim community and it says "How can any good Christian burn a book which contains these verses?" Now, I don't know who burned the Quran so I'm not making any accusations in regards to the perpetrator here because this was in response to the gentlemen down I think in Florida. But because most people have not had occasion to read the Quran, I wanna share just a few verses. This verse is on the status of Mary that is Mary, mother of Jesus the Quran says in that regard "And remember when the angel said, Oh Mary a law has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above all women of the time." So a testament to her status, the virgin birth of Jesus on giving tidings of death, maybe people didn't know that Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus. "When the angel said, Oh Mary a law gives thee tiding--glad tidings of a son through a word from Him, His name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary honored in this world and in the next and of those who are granted nearness to God." And then lastly, there's a verse on praise for good Christians and Jews and the Quran says "They are not all alike, among the people of the book, there is a party who stand by their covenant. They recite the word of God in the hours of the night and prostrate themselves before Him. They believe in the law and the last day and enjoying what is good and forbid evil and hasten vying with one another in good works and these are among the righteous and whatever good they do, they shall not be denied, its due rewards and a lot knows well the God fearing." So, I'm very happy to add these two Qurans to--as a gift to the college because, you don't know this, I've already gifted the college last year with the five-volume study set so I hope our students have the opportunity to read, to expand and to grow and this is just a small token of my love for this school. [ Applause ] >> Thank you very much Ibrahim, that's very gracious of you to do that, anything else Dr. Rocha? >> That's my report President Thompson. >> Okay, Shared Governance Representatives, Ms. Hammond? >> The only thing I have to report today is that at our last meeting after much deliberation, we passed Resolution number 0006 which all of you should have in front of you in regards to the student position on the hiring of the new vice president at PCC and so, we wanted to pass a resolution that reflected the sentiments of the students at large. We heard a lot of concerns from many different students buzzing around on the internet as well as students that had come to our meetings and so we passed a resolution to capture those sentiments and we wanted to present that to the board for your reference. >> Good. Thank you, anything else? >> Welcome. No, that's it. Thank you. >> Martinez? >> Nor report but we have an invitation. You have a copy of this flyer to the Annual Breakfast sponsored by the Academic Senate to Honor Faculty Retirees. You can see it'll be Friday, January 17th 7:30 here in the Creveling Lounge and all board members are invited as our guests and we hope to see you there. >> Thank you. Dr. Douglass? >> I would also like to invite you to the Management Association Retirees Breakfast on the 16th, the day before at 7:30 Brookside and you'll be receiving invitations in the mail. >> Ms. Kolross? >> No report. >> Mr. Miller? >> No report. >> Ms. Chapman? >> I just wanted to say that also, about the Veterans Remembrance last week, it was both very special and very moving to see many of our students as they were passing to and fro from class. Come over and join--to quietly join and to watch and to be very respectful of the occasion. It was very special, so yes. >> Dr. Sugimoto? >> Thank you Mr. Thomson. Actually, I have a report on the foundation later on. So, I'll differ to that time. Thank you. >> I was remiss and not to pointing out one thing that Dr. Sugimoto was thoughtful enough to give to me earlier on. It's from the Pasadena Magazine and there was a section here on 15, Take Charge Power Women who launched--not lunch and she was thoughtful enough to put the page on one, this happens to be a woman named Carol Thomson. [ Laughter ] >> So, first of whom, I am very, very proud and have been fortunate enough to be married to for quite some number of years. So thank you Lisa. >> Dr. Wilcox? >> Just one comment, just a reminder that commencement is June 17th and starting at 5 p.m. on that day as a reception for the commencement stage party and the 25 summa cum laude graduates. >> Thank you. Dr. Jacobs? >> No, thank you. >> Dr. van Pelt? >> No. >> Okay. Then let's move on to public comment on non-agenda items. The first is Jose Alvarenga. [ Pause ] >> Hello. Good evening. My name is Jose Alvarenga. I'm the Vice President of one of the clubs here at PCC and part of other different clubs. I'm the Vice President of BAMN, one of the newly chartered clubs. We are the Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, Integration, Immigrant Rights and Fight for Equality by Any Means Necessary. And I came here to a--not only as a student but as a member of clubs and as an undocumented student representing more than 700 hundred students in this campus that this college has done little or nothing to help. And that with the help of the clubs and the events that had happened with the student fee, we have been able to provide some help and so I'm reaching out to those students in a way that the college has not done. And I just wanna point out the importance of the student fee because it allows us to stretch our hands to those undocumented students not only here in campus that are part of this college but in the high schools that are thinking on coming to this school and seen as a way of excelling in their education. Again, throughout this semester even though it's our first semester, we've done events like, we went to a trip to Sacramento, we provided transportation for undocumented students which were not provided by the school again. We did a rally in public education to raise awareness in students. We did a DREAM Act Forum to raise awareness about undocumented students and the DREAM Act which is a bill that would help undocumented students again, all this to raise awareness in the campus. And we are planning other events for the future as well. We want to our own AB540 conference for undocumented students again to reach out to undocumented students and this would not be possible if it wasn't for the help provided by the student fee that [inaudible]. And again also, not only as part of a member of a club but as a student in this campus, I've gotten so much from the different events that other different clubs have put out different events from students of different experiences and ethnic backgrounds that have made stronger connections among students and have learned about other people and such and also like our events have made it possible for us to reach out to groups outside of the community like the [inaudible] DREAM Team, a group of undocumented students who created a strong connection with the community as well and created a bond of students here at school and in the community. And lastly, I just wanna mention that the elimination of the student fee would not much--would not only make it more difficult for clubs to put out events like this but also would not alleviate the cuts the students are receiving. If the school wants to really take a stand on helping students with these budget cuts could have done it by going to Sacramento and standing up to 1.4 billion cuts that passed with little or no opposition of any educational institution in the state. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. [ Applause ] >> We also have a card from Brittany Ulloa, I'm sorry if I'm not pronouncing your name properly, is that V-L-L-O-A or U? [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Okay, sorry, thank you. >> Hello. Thank you for letting me speak, my name is Brittany Ulloa I'm a student here at PCC. I'm a member of MEChA and I'm gonna be speaking on the student activity fee. As mentioned we are very active club on campus. We are probably one of the most active clubs on campus and we have a very strong history here. And that student activity fee has allowed us to do so much throughout the years, cultural, political, educationalized recently this semester alone we had a high school conference which Dr. Rocha himself was a guest and besides that we've done things in the fall like Dia De Los Muertos which is to raise cultural awareness and we expand to students of [inaudible] and things like that, but I just really wanna point out that this fee is really important to us, all the work that we do will not be possible and besides being a student and member MEChA. I'm also an intern in the Cross Cultural Center which is out of the Office Student Affairs and through the Cross Cultural Center we put on cultural events and that's basically to help students who are marginalized see themselves as leaders in the school and society and all of those events are through the student activity fee and I just had an event, I put on myself which was Save Ethnic Studies and that was a really great event which was promoting saving ethnic studies in Arizona and raising awareness about that. And I just wanted to point out again that the student activity fee has really, really helped the program and besides being a member of MEChA. and part of the Cross Cultural Center I'm also on the ICC Funding Committee which is through interclub council and basically I have allocate funds through a lot of clubs and I got to see first hand just how many clubs, like and how many events are being put out through the student activity fee and I know that a lot of people may have an issue because they don't--they're not aware that it's optional but is optional. And, so people do have the option of, you know, being able to waive that fee. But I think that that fee definitely needs to be kept because without that again, programs like--programs through the Cross Cultural Center through clubs, just will not be available and student enrichment is really ,really important and I think especially in times of all these budget cuts, students really need something to look forward for. So, thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> We also have a request from Vlad Viski. [ Pause ] >> Hello. It's me again. I come with the best intentions and I will talk also about the student activity fee which is very, very important to us and basically what we're asking is taxes. We wanna pay the money and that's surprising. And the fact that only 65 students out of 30,000 actually wanted their money back, I think that's the biggest survey that can be done at this school. So, I have a few events that--a list of a few events that happened here and that were extremely important. For example, the Atheist Agnostic Club organized with [inaudible] Christian Club. They organized the debate in regards to different ideas and different issues in regards to Christianity, atheism and so on. And the conference to defend ethnic studies was mentioned as well as the MEChA conference, the TROPA is the Filipino organization which had a dance show, I think two weeks ago. In regards to sustainability we have an organic farm, also there was an event where Daryl Hannah, the actress participated in regards to sustainability. Model UN, I don't know, one of the students came and presented in front of the board, the fact that the Model UN high school conference, it happened last week, [inaudible] Borders of Diversity which is a very, very important conference which brings many intellecutals and it brings--I think the whole room, this whole room was full of students. The forum on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Black Student Alliance organized a Poetry Slam. So, it's a diverse range of cultural activities that bring different perspectives to the PCC students and the AS, Jamie and Nolan, and Simon and all the AS worked really hard to create specific rules on the way money are allocated and spent so there shouldn't be a concern that this money are spent foolishly because that is not the case because there are strict specific rules in regards to that. And I know most events might seem liberal or progressive but, I mean, it's a college campus and most students are progressive and liberal and they change their--maybe they might change their orientation later on but-- [ Laughter ] >> For now, I mean, that's it. And it is about the fact that it leads them later on to success in both the work place and in their academic work and issues like intersectionality are being brought up and basically what intersectionality says is that it defines humans as a sum of elements. For example, an African-American is not only an African-American. It's a human being that has multiple qualities that--and we shouldn't reduce that person just to their race, their sexual orientation, their gender. We have to look at the whole picture and that's extremely important and clubs do help students grow and have the full college experience. So, I know the issue will come back on the agenda in two weeks or so, but it's really important to hear our voices now because in two weeks, we have finals. So, I don't how many of us will be here. [ Laughter ] >> So, thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Anyone else who address the board on non-agenda items? Okay, let's move on into the approval of the consent items are there any questions, any specific items to be discussed in particular. Mr. Baum? >> 122-B. >> Okay, anything else to be pulled aside and dealt with separately? >> And 124-B. >> 122 and 124-B, anything else? Okay, is there a motion to approve the other items? >> So moved. >> Second? >> Second. >> It's been moved by Dr. Fellow, seconded by Ms. Wah, Student Trustee Pack? >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed? Okay. Motion carries. 122-B. >> Sure I had a question about P it's the contracts and it was the contract with AC Martin Partners. It's on the page 3 of 3 and it's for an increase of an agreement for design services for LEED certification, structural changes, landscape, inauguration, and DSA requirements and Dr. van Pelt was kind enough to break it down for me for how that is broken up but still I wanted to raise the issue, we've constructed the building according to LEED gold stand--or the highest LEED standard possible but in order to actually just get that LEED seal of approval we're talking an extra more than hundred thousand dollars of this contract and in these fiscal times, I don't know that it is--it's something that, I think while we know the building is LEED eligible. Do we wanna spend a hundred thousand dollars just to get that LEED brand on it too, and so I wanted to raise that issue and possibility reconsider that aspect of it. >> Questions or any responses, Stan? >> Yeah. Well, I'm sorry, defer to Trustee Mann. >> Dr. Mann. >> I was going to say--I had also wanted to pull these but that wasn't my question. I think that the--I don't know much extra we'll spend to make the building LEED eligible but it seems to me but I'm sure it was substantial that if we went to all that expense to not get the certificate is like, you know, shooting our self in the foot. We've had a testimony from student after student, we've had people from the city of Pasadena, all whom are, you know, putting pressure on us to make our buildings LEED certified so, I would think that it would--since , this is the final cost that we should go ahead and-- >> Well, let me. If I can be helpful, let me put it in my layman's terms and as my understanding and then I'll throw the mic over to Vice President van Pelt for specific details. >> As I understand it, you know, and it's quite--the question is quite good one and quite pertinent. Whenever you move forward with a construction project, should it be a LEED certified project in the varied--various levels. As I understood it that that decision had been made in the design end of the project. And that based on that decision, however one may view it and I welcome moving forward debate about LEEDs but based on that decision, the plans were submitted to DSA including that. If I understand correctly, if we were to change that at this time or to reverse the previous decision, then we would probably have to resubmit some of these plans to DSA and risk some--somewhat of a delay. So that was a question that I asked. Having said that, I think the--the colleges committed in a said master plan to sustainability and we are a signatory to the global climate initiative for which we won an award this year. So I think on balance, I think it's--it seems like the thing to do but let me ask for it to elaborate. >> There are--there are two parts of the cost. One is that in order to get a LEED certification you actually you have to prove that you qualified so there's--there's a lot of research and processing that goes into actually verifying in your application because, you know, the certification comes from--from another source. The second part however is the commissioning part. And what the commissioning does is it fine tunes all of the building systems to ensure that they are running at peak efficiency. And the reason why that's important of course is because if you are to gain energy efficiency, you've gotta make sure that there is the proper flow of air into the space and the, you know, the exchange of air and that the lights are working properly. Building systems, cooling, heating, and so forth, are working efficiently so there's a large component where in order to become LEED certified, you have to become commissioned and you have--you have to hire a company, an independent firm to verify that the systems are in fact running peak. So from that perspective--and this is measure P money it's not general fund money, but from that perspective, it will save us on the general fund side because it saves us utility cost particularly. So there actually is a payback involved. >> No, I'm not arguing against the commissioning aspect because I want the building to be as energy efficient as possible and to--to meet all our standards of efficiency but my understanding also, we know a lot more about the LEED credential now than we did even when we started. And a lot of that is to--to just qualify for a certificate and doesn't necessarily enhance the energy efficiency because you factored in all those energy efficiency standards into the design and the construction of the building. So it's really, from my perspective, paying an extra hundred plus thousand dollars to get a certificate that we could say okay, it's LEED. >> Well, and the other part of it is that we did promise donors and because when they'd ask questions about whether it'd be LEED certified or the oversight committee, various different members of the community, we have consistently said that we will be minimally LEED certified. We hoped to be LEED silver and to the attempt that we can in fact become LEED gold we'll do that as well. In order to become any one of those, it requires this process of research and verification and ultimately then that's what qualifies you for either the--the certified silver or gold standards. >> And beyond what we paid AC Martin what's the fee we pay to the LEED business council or whatever? >> Well, that's included and I have to do a little research. >> That's included in this hundred some thousand dollars, okay. I didn't know that. >> Other comments or questions or anything? Okay. May I ask question about 122-B I just wanna make sure that this is--I'm understanding it accurately. Dr. Rocha. Under--in pages 3 and--or 2 and 3, excuse me, we have restricted general fund items where we are approving payment to a certain number of our employees for performing work with the Los Angeles/Orange County Biotechnology Center and do I understand accurately that the source of those funds is a grant that we have received? >> Yes. The short answer is yes and I ask Dean Douglass to elaborate. >> Yeah. This is part of our Biotech Center Grant that we've been a part of for about thirteen years and Wendie Johnston is the director of it and she's gonna continue in that capacity even after retirement. >> And--and the source of the money is a federal grant? >> It's a state grant. >> State grant. Okay. Good. Thank you. Do you wanna go on to 124 or you wanna vote on 122-B first? >> We can vote on the other one. >> Okay. Let's--let's. >> I just wanna preface, my vote is not going to be--is not to compromise one degree on committing ourselves to the energy efficiency in our construction. It's just how we--how we spend that--those resources. >> Is there a motion to approve consent item 122-B? >> So moved. >> Second. >> It's been moved and seconded, any student advisory vote? >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed? >> No. >> One negative. Mr. Baum. Okay, 124-B? >> My question was on the last page about the change order to this Pasadena Municipal Services Department of--of increasing our PO from two million to 2.3 million and it's--and so I wanted--my understanding also given this institution's commitment to sustainability. We've taken extraordinary measures to invest in--in HVAC and coolers and chillers to reduce our energy consumption, so why are we needing a midyear increase are we--is the city raising its rates on us or--or something like that? No, this is actually just to change the purchase order. When we wrote the purchase order, it was for significantly less than last year but the reality is that we have added three buildings within the last eighteen months and therefore you would expect that there would be an increase in terms of utilities but what we expect this year is for you utility bill on electricity to be very similar to last year. This is just a change to the purchase order. >> Just to give you flexibility. >> To make certain that we have the ability to--to pay the bills when they come due. >> It is your sense that we are using electricity--less energy. >> Yes, yes. >> As an institution than they--than we were five years ago. >> Yes. >> Significantly. >> Well, but it's--it's always hard to tell because when you add three new buildings. >> I understand. >> And I realize it's a difficult argument to make but because you're--you're dealing with hypotheticals but we are using less, certainly within the areas of--of you--for instance chilling, it is significantly less and, you know, the maintenance costs are less as well so yes. >> Okay, thanks. >> Okay. Is there a motion? Are we through with the discussion on 124-B? Motion to approve? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Been moved by Ms. Wah, seconded by Dr. Fellow. Student advisory vote? >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed? The motion carries. Okay. Then back to our agenda and I think it's probably appropriate to ask Mr. Pack if he'd come join us up here for a moment. >> Yeah. And we can do it here or we probably need a photo--Rochelle would you rather have us here or there? Okay. We'll go--we'll go to the podium. >> Up there. Okay. [ Noise ] [ Inaudible Discussions ] [ Laughter ] >> We have been so very fortunate this year to have had the service of Nolan Pack as our student trustee and I must say that the four years or almost four years I've served on the board of trustees each year we've had just an outstanding student trustee and Nolan has more than upheld that marvelous tradition and so we just want to give this to you and with our great thanks for all that you've done for the Pasadena City College and for the Board of Trustees and the students. We wish you well at UC Barclay or Northwestern or that other Southern California. >> USC. [ Laughter ] >> USC. >> Which ever you select and up there but we hope you come back and keep in touch with us and we just wanna say thank you so very much for all that you've done for us, so best of luck to you! >> Thank you so much. [ Applause ] >> Wow, thank you so much to everyone. I don't even know where to start. I guess, thank you first since we have a lot students here, to the students who voted last year and elected me and my fellow AS members who are passing on the torch now. And thank you so much to all of the administrators, my colleagues on the board Dr. Rocha, President Thomson. Everyone really has made this a fantastic learning experience for me. I think I've been really fortunate to sit through a very unique year at PCC. During my term alone we have appointed a new Trustee, a new President and passed an EMP and so that I think is a lot of really awesome stuff for one student trustee to be able to sit through and I'm very glad that I got to participate in all of that. It's been a fantastic experience all around from the legislative summits that I've gotten to go to, to the League of Women Voters Conference that we were able to attend and I cannot express enough that my time at PCC especially this last year has really been life changing for me. So, I'm really excited to be moving on to a new chapter in my life. But PCC will continue to be very dear part of my life and I definitely will continue to support and hopefully continue to contribute to the organization or the college as I move on. And I also want to just take a minute to recognize that you guys are very fortunate to be getting a new student trustee who is one of the most informed people I've ever met in terms of politics and world events and so forth. I think Alex is going to be a wonderful addition to the board and is gonna continue the tradition of excellence that PCC proudly uphold. And again just thank you all so much for making this a really wonderful year for me and yeah. [ Laughter ] [ Applause ] [ Pause ] >> We would now ask Mr. Alexander Soto if he would join us up here please. [ Noise ] [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Now, you may come up here I think with us. [ Laughter ] [ Noise ] >> We welcome you to the Board of Trustees as the Student Trustee and I will now administer you the Oath of Office. So if you will raise your hand please and repeat after me. I Alexander Soto. >> I Alexander Soto. >> Do solemnly swear. >> Do solemnly swear. >> That I will support and defend. >> That I will support and defend. >> The Constitution of the United States. >> The Constitution of the United States. >> And the Constitution of the State of California. >> And the Constitution of the State of California. >> Against all enemies foreign and domestic. >> Against all enemies foreign and domestic. >> That I will bear true faith. >> That I will bear true faith. >> And allegiance. >> And allegiance. >> To the Constitution of the United States. >> To the Constitution of the United States. >> And the Constitution of the State of California. >> And the Constitution of the State of California. >> That I take this obligation freely. >> That I take this obligation freely. >> Without any mental reservation. >> Without any mental reservation. >> Or purpose of evasion. >> Or purpose of evasion. >> And I will well and faithfully. >> And I will well and faithfully. >> Discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter. >> Discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter. >> Good! Congratulations! Thank you! [ Applause ] >> Thank you. >> Oh my. [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Mr. Thomson? >> Yes? >> May I make a comment on the quality of our Student Trustees I, you know, I think Nolan--I agree with that but I did wanna to share that I recently received a letter from Sean O'Connor who was our student trustee 2007 and '08 asking me to write a recommendation for him for medical school which I have done but in calculating it, I don't think he's 21 yet. So I don't know if that's a requirement or what people are going to think when they can see this doctor who is about 26. But anyway, that--I think that's a testimony to the quality of our student trustees and I know John Campos plans to go to medical school and I hope to be able to write a recommendation for him. >> They have all been just fantastic and so we've been so very fortunate to have such an outstanding group of young people serving in that capacity, so thank you very much and we don't want to say you're stepping into large shoes but obviously you are. >> Well, I appreciate the opportunity and I look forward to this upcoming year with you. >> We have full confidence in you, so. >> Thank you. >> The next item on our agenda is a report from the Pasadena City College Foundation presentation. Dr. Sugimoto, are you introducing this? >> Yes. I sure am and thank you very much Mr. Thomson. Board of trustees and audience and guess, I'd like first, before we get started with the report to introduce two very important people to me and then three other very important people to me. I'd like to first introduce Mel Cohen who is the president of our foundation and I thank him tremendously for his leadership this past year. [ Applause ] >> And Shirley Burt who is one of our committed, dedicated and loving board members and Shirley would you please stand to be recognized? [ Applause ] >> I also thank the three individuals who support the foundation on a daily basis Anna Mae Jones, Irene Aguilera, and Harsha Desai, if you would please stand up. [ Applause ] >> And I thank all of you for being here. In your packet, I always call these peachies [phonetic], I don't know why, but in your packet is the foundation annual report and I would also like to thank 'cause I'm looking at him, President Thomson who is our board liaison tour foundation. He has been committed to and dedicated to being the liaison and helping us keep in mind the reason why we are on the foundation board. So thank you very much Mr. Thomson for your time. In the foundation annual report, let me remind you that this is actually the 90-10 report. Our audit ended for the last year and I am very pleased that Heidi White is with us and I'm gonna ask her in a few minutes to come forward so that she can answer any questions you might have about the audit. You might have been confused when you looked at the report seeing 09-10 as opposed to 10-11 but you will have the opportunity to see a 10-11 report next year at this time since Heidi and her company will be launching into an audit rather shortly. So, you will note that we put together a very brief annual report, bulleted, that gives you the highlights of the foundation for 09-10 and then also a little smattering of some of the highlights from 10-11. Just as a reminder, I know Heidi is going to come up and say this but I would like to say it in front of her that the foundation audit for July 1st 2009 to June 30th 2010 came as an unqualified opinion from our auditors and I know she will verify that when she comes forward. I think there are certainly highlights for the past two years in the foundation and those are listed here. I think some of the major ones, certainly this year, was the Westerbeck Family Trust, the 4 million dollars that came through. I will also and I was reminded that this--I should mention it today. This morning I got a phone call from the attorneys who are handling another trust and last week we received a 250,000-dollar check from this trust and I wanted to be sure that I read the documents correctly that it was unrestricted and the attorney confirmed that for me this morning so we received another check that will go into our unrestricted account to support the foundation. I don't wanna go on and on about the report and certainly, there are major highlights, the OSHA. We will meet our OSHA challenges. I know Mr. Baum would be pleased to hear that as well as the rest of the board. We are at 770,330. I did receive a phone call this morning from a faculty member who is going to endow a scholarship in the name of their parents. We also are awaiting for a June 14th meeting at the full board to look at the Westerbeck Family Trust to see if we can go ahead and submit a few more dollars to the OSHA and hopefully exceed the amount that our match would be and I did confirm with the California Community College Foundation that if we do that before June 30th, we would then be able to have the 50-cent match on every dollar. So, we are working towards that. And now, if I may, it's a pleasure to introduce Heide White as the auditor for our foundation books and she is here to answer any questions you might have. You will find in the report a very shortened version of the audit and then after that, following that, the full audit that Heidi does with her group of auditors. So thank you very much Heidi for being with us today. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. It's a--I was telling Lisa as I came in, it was really nice to come in with sunshine rather than in the middle of December and January when it's so dark outside. It's nice to be here midyear and be able to present the foundation report to you. As Lisa mentioned the opinion on the financial statements is unqualified. These--the dollars that are represented through the foundation are included in Pasadena Community College District's annual audit which we did receive back in January. So the numbers that are included here you have seen but I thought I'd like to point out a couple of things because the last couple of years had been very difficult for not-for-profit organizations. People are having less and less money to donate to the causes that are embraced by not-for profits but during 2010, approximately 1.5 million dollars came in in donations either specifically for scholarships, programs, services or unrestricted dollars and I think that that's a tremendous benefit for the foundation to have received during this time. We had noticed during the prior two and three years, there had been some significant reductions in the investment earnings on the investments held by the foundation and there'd been some significant losses due to the market valuations. However, during 2010 those came back and so the one thing you should look out with the unrestricted fund is that you are back in a positive position and moving forward and I think with the moneys that came forward today that you'll see even more progress in that direction as well. As we look at all of your activities, we look specifically to make sure that the program services are really being addressed through the foundation that you are spending your money for scholarships, for program services and that that's going forward very positively. During 2010 and I know that this is a year ago so more is happening during the 2011 year. The total amount of scholarships and grants to the district was well over 600,000 dollars and that goes directly to either your students or to the programs that they're being a part of so a tremendous benefit for the district as well and for the students that are attending. There as Lisa said, we are getting ready to start up our audit again. We'll be out in August and one of our goals this year is that we will present this report to you at the same time that we are presenting the district or fairly close so that the information will be a little bit more fresh but I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have and find out, you know, if there's any questions now. >> Are there questions? Mr. Martin. >> Well, thank you for the report. I think I'm the one that a few years ago said it would be wise to time the audit foundation presentation with the accomplishments of the foundation so that it came in a consistent package. If we got this before like you just said it was in the peachy, I missed it. So I really haven't had a whole lot of time to look at it but in the three minutes you were presenting, I was curious as to the lost, the realized lost that occurred in the temporarily restricted fund and maybe get a little background as to why you would realize--usually that happens in foundation when you need money for a program that was given in prior year and now being executed in this year not knowing that that's the case I'm surmising. So I'm kind of interested in the background there and if there was an unrestricted cash that could've not covered that position to allow that lost maybe not to have occurred during what was a really difficult time financially. So is there anyone that has background into that 100--I think I saw 146,000 dollar. >> 143,000. >> 143. >> One of the things that the foundation has been very active in is redefining the investment policies and the portfolio. I think that what happened during 2010 was that there was a realignment of some of the investments that maybe had not bounced back through the downturn of the investment market and then coming back and there were some opportunities to take those investments that maybe were still not coming back up with what the rest of the market was doing, sell them, and then reinvest them in some other dollars that were actually going to return better. So, it wasn't a cash flow issue for program services. It was really more of an investment decision. >> Oh, okay. Well, that's good to hear. And I do see the reclassification entry you have for 200--this is all in page 3 for the rest of the board. 223,000 from a little bit, from unrestricted and a little bit of temporary to permanent and I guess that happens as you delve into donor intentions or something, a little explanation on that. >> Correct. Sometimes when donors give their funds, it's not clear right upfront whether or not the funds are going to be held specifically for scholarships and only using the interest earnings or whether the principle can be used and it can be temporarily restricted so as that is clarified that movement goes back and forth and the reclassification will occur but it is to adhere specifically to donor instructions. >> And then, finally again, in the brief time I had it, it was encouraging to see that when you look on page 5, I guess it's 5 and 5, it's a 2-page 5 and 5 where we're comparing 2010 to 2009 and if you look in 2009, there is approximately 550,000 dollars of what I would constitute as overhead administrative expense both assuming operations is another term for administrative expense and fundraising, compared to a million one in program and a very--and a significant decline in operational expenses in 2010 to approximately what looks like 450,000 and an increase in program to a million two. So, both numbers there are heading in what I would say are the right direction where we're delivering more money in the program and less money necessary to operate that program and obviously some money is required to operate that program. So, those are the things that jumped out of me quickly. I appreciate those answers. >> Mr. Baum, do you have questions? >> I just want, and it's not related to Heidi though. This is great to see, a clean audit like this and see the careful management of the resources. I wanna just tip of the hat to Dr. Rocha, Vice President Sugimoto, Mel Cohen and the Board because it's not by accident that the philanthropic community in our areas is turning more and more readily to Pasadena City College for the direction of their philanthropic trust. You get 250,000 dollar request or trust distribution with unrestricted, that's an unusual vote of confidence in this institution and in how we manage the resources. The 4 million dollar Westerbeck gift of course as I said before has drawn the attention of folks up and down the state and I see that we're on the verge of a real opportunity and recognition and possibilities here for this institution to better serve the students and for the students, I'm just so proud that we're going to make our OSHA grant and then some. And so, and I just wanna explain something that I hoped the foundation board considers and for the students' sake. A 100,000 dollar endowment will generate roughly about 5,000 dollars each year in scholarships because you are able to spend the money that it makes while you keep that 100,000 dollars here, a whole and you just spend the earnings. If we take advantage of the OSHA grant, if we put 100,000 dollars, we then--they automatically give us an extra 50,000 dollars to apply the student scholarships. So, instead of five 1,000 dollars scholarships, we can do seven or eight 1,000 dollar scholarships, a money that comes at no cost to Pasadena City College. Would we be able to with that OSHA funding to serve twice as many, well half as many students on top of what we had so. And Elaine Chapman was the first, was the head of fundraising when this all started so I hope, they've lifted the cap on how much we can qualify for under the OSHA challenge. So, every dollar that we spend--invest in the OSHA endowment beyond the cap will automatically have a 50 percent match and I hope that we look carefully, because, I don't know anywhere in any market where you're gonna get from day 1 a 50 percent return on your investment and I hope that will take advantage of that in a robust way. >> Thank you. >> But again, really amazing work done by this institution and the leadership and our volunteer leadership that has made this such an attractive place for donors to get involved with. >> Mr. Martin? >> I have one more detail question and this is on page 11 where it's talking about level 1, 2, and 3 of foundation assets and levels are basically a determined, you can probably describe it better than I can but how readily there's a market price that is readily available and known securely in level 3 is one where perhaps it's a little harder to asses the actual values because there is not a comparative market price and so, I'm a little familiar with the California Community Foundation. I actually for another reasons audit a lot of their work myself for some other investments and I'm kinda surprised to see that all of our money at California community is classified level 3 because I know they normally do deal and pools of which a portion of those pools are level 3 but yet a substance and portion of those pools are level 1. So, is there something special that was donated to California community that would be constituted at level 3 or is that part of those pools that those mutual fund holdings of California community are level 3 that you put the entire amount there? >> Because it is a pool, it is almost impossible to distinguish exactly what investments California Community Foundation is holding specifically for Pasadena College Foundation and so we confirm with them that yes, they have your investment, yes, they have those dollars there but they cannot confirm to us exactly which investments are there and they've actually instructed us to show them as a level 3 market that it's not something that you can go out and say okay, we've got this much money here and we could trade it somewhere else openly for the same price. So, we're in the traditional California community, one of their traditional pools is just you've declared that that whole pool is level 3. >> They have represented that back to us, yes. >> Okay. >> That was a decision that they made because they can't segregate out and say exactly which pool your dollars are associated with. >> Okay. I understand. Thank you. >> Other questions? Dr. Mann? >> Yes, I have a comment and Mr. Baum maybe can help me with this. It's my understanding from a letter we received I think from the California Community Foundation that there's only one district that has OSHA goal. >> No, there's about a dozen. >> A dozen? Okay. So then we still, when you look at how many they are, we are doing very, very well to me, plus being a big college, we've a very high goal as opposed to some of the smaller ones and there were some districts who have raised no money at all for it. So, I think that shows we really are a leader in the state. >> Yeah it's--as the board's liaison to the PCC Foundation which is a real privilege for me to serve in that capacity, I can say that we're very privileged to have had the leadership of Dr. Sugimoto, Ms. Chapman, Irene Aguilar, Anna Mae Jones, and of course Mel Cohen and Shirley Burt and Bobby Moon and all the members of the foundation board of directors. They've done just a marvelous job and it's a real pleasure to represent this group on that board and to go to their meetings and to share and learn all this happening. So, thank you so very much for not only a great report this evening but for all that you are doing for PCC. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you Heidi. Thank you very much, Mr. Thomson, Board of Trustees. >> President Thomson, I did want to just very quickly add my deeply felt note of appreciation to Lisa for her leadership with the foundation. It's been a historic year. I think I appreciate the foundation supporting my judgment that we needed somebody of Lisa's stature as vice president in the foundation this year and my judgment was unassailable and her results were absolutely unassailable. I'm so deeply grateful and in addition to the work that Lisa has done, she has become a good friend and a comfort on and an advisor throughout this year so she has helped contribute to all the successes that we've had this year and I just wanna say thanks to Lisa. >> Thank you. >> Well-deserved comments. The next agenda item is Ratification of Tentative Agreement with ISSU: Discussion with Possible Action, Dr. Rocha. >> President Thomson, the board has been briefed and presented with the tentative agreement. We've been informed by Anna Mae Jones, the head of issue that they have ratified it and so now for a final action, I bring the tentative agreement before you for the board's ratification so that is the proposed action. >> Are there any questions? If not, is there a motion to ratify it? >> So move. >> Second. >> Been moved by Ms. Wah, seconded by Dr. Fellow. Any discussion to take place? Any questions? Student trustee? >> Aye. [ Inaudible Remark ] All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. >> If I may President Thomson, could I call forward Anna Mae Jones 'cause I just wanted to thank her publicly for her leadership this year? We had a good fair negotiation that came to a, I think, a win-win result so I thank you Anna Mae. >> Thank you Dr. Rocha, President Thomson, members of the board. I wanna publicly thank my negotiating team Cheryl Storms and Julio Huerta as well as the member of the negotiating team that represented the district, Bruce Barsook and Dean Engeldinger. This college has a long history of recognizing the technology and the contributions of classified staff. We are certain that that will continue under Dr. Rocha's leadership. Thank you very much. >> Thank you Anna Mae. Okay. The next agenda item is Public Hearing and Adoption of Fiscal Year 2011 and 2012 Tentative Budget: Discussion with Possible Action. Dr. Rocha. >> Yes. President Thomson, this is a usual action at this time of the year. First though I would ask the president of the board to declare open a public hearing. >> Okay. The public hearing is now open. Is there anyone who--do we want a presentation first with this or-- >> Well, Vice President van Pelt will make a brief presentation on what's being forwarded. >> We would like a public comment after the presentation. >> Okay. This is a pro forma budget. It's a tentative budget and essentially what it does is it gives us legal authority to spend money after July the 1st and prior to the adoption of the actual budget so the mechanics of what takes place is that we take this year's current budget and we roll over all the numbers for next year in order to give a spending authority so, needless to say that the final budget, the adopted budget will look nothing like this. This is just purely pro forma so this is a mechanism that we've used for a very, very long time. It is expected this year that we may actually have a budget on time because proposition 25 only required a majority vote and it also penalized lawmakers with a permanent reduction in their pay for each day that the budget was not presented. We were also informed today that the final budget, the current projections are between a 6 million and a 10 million dollar cut over this year. So we're working on that with the Budget Resource Allocation Committee and the Budget Resource Allocation Committee was informed the last time that we would be presenting this document to the board today. >> Are there any questions of Dr. van Pelt? Anyone wish to address the board with respect to the tentative budget that we have before us? If not, I'll declare the public hearing closed. Is there a motion to adopt the 2011-2012 tentative budget? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Moved by Dr. Fellow, seconded by Ms. Wah. Any discussion or questions? Okay, student trustee. >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Motion carries. The next item on the agenda for this evening is Report on Board Meeting Videotaping Pilot Program, a presentation. Mr. Gutierrez, welcome. >> Yes. President Thomson, in introducing Juan Gutierrez, Juan this is not an action item. This is an informative. I asked Juan to prepare as we require to do a report, a descriptive report of the results of the first year of the pilot to videotape the board meetings and you can see the videotaping occurring as we speak and so the--Juan will present the report briefly and obviously and of course take your questions and comments and that'll be the sum and substance of the item. >> Well, it may be well be need for more information and I think the expected procedure would be to have this on our next meeting agenda or the one thereafter for a possible action if the board wishes to take the action on it, so. Mr. Gutierrez. >> Thank you President Thomson. Thank you Dr. Rocha. You have this presentation in your packet as well, if you like to come along. Last year as you remember the board approved a pilot program to televise the--and the taping of the board of trustees meetings. I am going to give you an informative brief presentation on some of the things we've found, what you approved, and also bring back some of the options that Dean Miller was so kind to present to you a year ago. Well, we're gonna talk about the pilot year to begin with. Using the Pasadena Community Access Corporation to film the trustee meetings, we employed them to provide a DVD and also host the meetings on their server which became available on our website at pasadena.edu. Later in the year, we also added or you voted to add captioning and also transcription to the meetings for this past year as well as the transcription for the last two years and I do wanna point out there is a change on the second part of the slide which says--on your handout it says 14, that should be 15 because the June 15th meeting will more than likely be televised. And the cost and this is not to exceed 31,025. Originally, when the contract with PCAC was approved by the board, there were two meetings per month that would be here in Creveling but as you went out into the community, it became one meeting so that is why the cost of which you approved and what is here on the slide is significantly less. I'd like to go to the next slide and talk about some of our viewership online. Using Google Analytics, we determined that through July of 2010 to May of 2011, we've had total views of the board meetings of 1,575. Now we can't say these are unique views or unique viewers but it has been accessed that amount. I also wanna point out that at the bottom, it says that statistics do not include the cable viewers. The way that it gets on cable aside from PCC TV is that a DVD is sent out to all the municipalities and one in our district and they run the cable--the board of trustees meetings until the next meeting and they supplant that into their schedule so there are some people viewing it through cable as well. We just--there's no Nielsen ratings for that so it's not something you can track very easily. I'd like to talk about option 1 as I like to call it, continuation of what happened on the pilot year and I wanna thank Elaine Chapman for taking the lead in getting these numbers from PCAC. I as some of you know sit as a director of PCAC and for me to be an employee of PCC and sit as a director of PCAC to negotiate, this would be a bit of a conflict of interest. So Elaine Chapman was kind enough to step in and actually work with the interm director to get these numbers. As you can see, the proposal from PCAC is actually 80 dollars more per meeting and that's to cover some other cost. So after a year, PCAC has determined that it takes a little bit more funding in order for them to at least break even with the contract they have with us. The second portion is the captioning which would continue on if it is approved by the board from July to June again of the next fiscal year and as you can see the total for the transcription and captioning comes out to 11,044 for a total including PCAC camera work and DVDs that they provide of just under 21,000 dollars. Option 2 is the option that includes Granicus and I want to thank Bob Miller at this time and his team for providing basically the groundwork for putting everything together. It took a lot of work to come up with these numbers and some of the things that Granicus does provide and I wanna thank Bob for providing his figures to me and we've just updated them to present this to you tonight and basically what Granicus does, if anyone is familiar with what the city of Pasadena or municipalities do, they use a media manager called Granicus and basically what that does it gives more features to the online streaming of the actual meetings. It actually establishes a repository for basically everything that we do, all the meetings. It's keyword sociable, provides live web streaming if you wanna go that route, it's an option. We can chapter meetings, so people viewing the meeting or accessing it can actually go to a particular agenda item which is something that currently, we cannot do and we can actually upload documents as well. So as people are viewing the trustee meeting, they can actually have the agenda on the same screen and other documents we choose to upload. The Granicus cost would be 13,137 which is a one-time cost for the software of over 6500 and then a monthly cost at 550 dollars a month. That's actually half off because Granicus is offering us a 50 percent off discount if we go in this direction. Usually, that's over a thousand. Additional equipment if we want to go with live streaming is 3300 and that covers a server and a video capture card. Additional staffing, we budgeted 2,000. As a former accountant I'd like to give you the--what I like to call the worst case scenario, the most it would cost, so we have soft costing there as well. We would continue the staffing from PCAC, we would use their cameras and then the live captioning transcription is 14,388 and the reason it went up from option 1 is because live captioning if we do live stream is a bit more. So, the total cost would be a little over 42,000 dollars, one-time cost of a little under 10,000 and an annual cost of 32 for this option. And finally, the third option which is something else that Bob Miller discussed with you last year is to actually turn Creveling here into something more like the City Council Chambers for Pasedena with fixed cameras. So, I thought I'd bring this back to you just so you could compare what that would entail. We do have some one-time fixed cost of equipment for cameras, the server, video and facilities modification. Granicus would also be included for that and that again is a carry over from option 2 so it's the same cost, staffing is the same, and so is live captioning. The total annual cost would actually decrease from option 2 but the upfront one time would be for equipment and one time cost in cameras which would be a little under 66,000. And then finally, just for comparison, I have all three options on the next slide that you have in front of you and the one we have here. Basically, what this would do is option 1, a continuation of what we did this prior year, option 2 is to add the Granicus component, and option 3 is to become a fixed camera type studio here in Creveling Lounge and that completes my report. >> Are there questions of Juan? >> Mr. Baum. >> First off, thank you for the report, this is really helpful. When we decided to this a year ago, we wanted to go the most conservative route and to just be able to document and that's always been my philosophy that it's just important to have these proceedings available for viewers to be able to watch online or on cable. I've been very pleased with the PCAC crew in the production capabilities that I've seen and the professionalism with which the meetings have been recorded and so I wanted to say thanks to them and I actually have gotten a number of comments from cable viewers who are channel surfing and see PCC TV and happen to catch the meeting and surprised because I expected to here from nobody and even in my days at C-SPAN we were never sure if anybody was watching. >> We just, but it was always nice to find out when somebody did actually see something or ask you a question about something they saw on television. So, from where I sit, it's been a successful experiment that I hope we continue being mindful that we should always take the most conservative approach. I do like the Granicus system because that is what the city council uses, it's the most user friendly as far as enabling viewers to actually look for a specific item or if a parent wants to see the presentation that we heard from upward bound where their child was acknowledged and celebrated. They don't have to watch two hours of video to get that 5 minutes of content that they wanna be able to share, so I really appreciate the work you've done and what Bob Miller did to get this off the ground and I appreciate this data and options going forward. Are there any questions or, Dr. Mann? >> Well, unlike Mr. Baum, I'd never had anyone say that they've seen us in the cable and as you know, I finally figured out how to actually get it. You just have to sit there at least and weight for about 5 minutes and then an announcement comes up that says PCC is you know, doing this. I've never seen anything live so I guess I'm not looking at the right time. I am concerned that there is only 1575 people who've watched the board streaming as Mr. Martin just whispered to me, probably a third of those was me because-- [ Laughter ] >> I've had to miss some meetings and I do go watch the, I do watch the meetings that I don't participate in. And so, I have to watch many of the meetings. I think if we continue this, we should go with Granicus so that people can find it, because you know, often you do have to watch 2 hours to get 5 minutes and a couple of times when I wasn't sure about what it happened at a meeting when I was present, no way am I gonna--I knew that happened at about 10 o'clock. No way am I gonna start in from 7 and watch this so, I still do not think that this is worth the expenditure, however, if the rest of the board believes that it should, I would be in favor of using Granicus so that it is user friendly. >> Dr. Fellow. >> Yes. Thank you. I agree with Dr. Mann and I'm gonna have to ponder this whether that is not a great viewership, 1500. I'm just wondering, and I'm trying to get up to speed on technology, if these were just shown on the PCC webpage is that possible? >> Actually, it's hosted by PCAC and access through the PCC webpage. >> It's on the PCC webpage. >> Yes. >> I've been in politics 21 years. I've never watched a city council meeting or a water board meeting. Okay, I'm gonna have to study this. I don't know if it's worth the money to be on. I think democracy is very expensive, but I don't know. [ Laughter ] >> Mr. Baum? >> The only thing I would raise then is the principle of having it available or is it the number, because if our goal is to get the most viewers then I would then charge the administration with coming up with a plan to actually, which I'm not sure is worth the administration's time, to actually aggressively promote it so that we can generate more access. Right now, it lives primarily on, you have to get a drill down about 3 pages on the PCC website to find our agenda and our minutes and then you see the video link, and so you have to be pretty motivated to do that and I use the metaphor of a book in the library. Does the value of that book in the library rest on how many times it's checked out or is that that book is available for the person who needs to check it out when they need it and I feel as a public body with 120-million dollar budget of tax fare funding, we need to be as transparent and as accessible as possible no matter how many people need access it and that's why I fall down philosophically on that. >> Ms. Brown? >> Yeah, I have to agree with Geoff to a certain extent because last year when we were--this was presented to us. One of the reasons was transparency and that was the reason why we did the pilot. It's not that we thought it was cost effective or we had an option really. So, I would probably agree with Jeanette to if we can continue it which I think we really don't have a lot of choices is to do it right. That's what I would suggest. >> Ms. Wah? >> Juan, do we know how many hits we're getting on just accessing the documents so not the video. I mean are people interested at all in just the transcript? >> What I can do is I can get that information to you through Google outlet 'cause I don't have that information with me right now. >> Yeah ' cause I'm just wondering whether or not it just seems easier because then it becomes at least searchable. I mean, I've gone through and I watched the video and I have to say it's quite difficult to actually sit through all of it and then it doesn't really stream over, so. >> I'll refrain from asking why you find it difficult to sit through watching it. [ Laughter ] >> You obviously have never watched. You wouldn't be asked that if you watched it. [ Laughter ] >> Other comments or I'm sorry Mr. Martin? >> Well, first I wanna point out that we have a very low cost, highly efficient audiocast that I think does a tremendous job at almost no expense in recording this entire meeting to make sure if there's any question as to what was said or intent or even picking up tone that's available. I view our primary mission here is one of education and when we're starting to go into what the amount of money that could constitute a full another section of English 1A or two sections of English 1A. I kinda have to revert back to my original opinion 'cause if we're gonna spend that kind of money to broadcast anything, let's broadcast English 1A because we know there's oodles of people out there. I guarantee you, we'll get more than 15,075 hits if you we go and broadcast English 1A or Math 1 where people can zoom in on the board and slow down the teacher. Look at the YouTube hits on educational instruction that are happening over and over again. And I don't believe it's any less transparent when we have an audiocast that gives us the full recording, the full context of everything that was said. We have open meetings, we move public participation on non-agenda items to the beginning of the meeting and I think the administration in the last few years and especially under Dr. Rocha has moved very aggressively and to be very transparent in getting out in the campus and outside of the campus. With everything that is going on I wanna use our resources for instruction. So, if we're gonna broadcast anything let's figure out how to broadcast classes and keep this to an audiocast, low cost, almost no cost audiocast for posterity. It's no less transparent in my opinion to be able to handle it that way and way more instructional and mission based. >> So, my question would be are you suggesting we take up as an agenda item the broadcasting of content. We have a whole television channel devoted to Pasadena City College and sure we have a discussion about programming that channel and then go in to all the other online and distant--you know broadcasting tools we used. >> I would love that agenda topic. I think it's totally mutually exclusive from this other than they both require resources and obviously, we made an effort in online education, we've committed resources to it. I'd be willing to commit more. I'd be willing to work with the college on how we could broadcast academic classes so students have missed classes or need to repeat on a section can go back. We know from listening from our trustee conference, we listened to the gentleman from the Gates Foundation and we know how YouTube is being used by both academic institutions formally and students informally to help students both on the original presentations and supplemental presentation. Let's take this money and let's get it into the student's hands. They're waiting outside of doors trying to get into classes while we're gonna spend money broadcasting us. It doesn't make sense to me. >> Right. >> It doesn't make sense. I think we put it-- >> Wait, you just--you said this is separate then you just said it's together, it's separate. >> It's together with finance. >> Okay. >> If we can use this money and to answer your question, yes. >> Okay. >> Anytime you wanna talk about more classes, more distant education, if broadcasting classes and using this money to accomplish that goal, absolutely, that's an agenda item I would love to hear. So, I just don't see the actual filming cost of this adding anything that good education wouldn't be a better use to the same resources, especially, and I'm sorry to say for the third time, because we have a very low cost audiocast that you can fast forward and zip through and you can go to different items right on there. You just click on it if you want this agenda topic or that agenda topic. It's easy to get the whole history of this entire meeting on the audiocast like that rather than spending more money so that it's hard to see who somebody looks like and now we wanna make them look good. It's just not where I wanna go. >>Some would argue that video is actually a more powerful tool for understanding what transpired than audio. I mean it's a difference of opinion. >> I think being here is the best way. >> Obviously. >> And I think we try to have a very open meeting. We move them out into the communities. You know, you and I have a different-- >> Okay, let's--one at a time please. >> You had your side, I said my side and you can have the last word. I don't care but my word is let's take the money and put it into how we can help give more classes. >> Before you do that Ms. Wah have to say out of here. >> Okay. Well, I guess I'll tie break this. But I do wanna say that I do agree with Trustee Martin. You know I think transparency comes more from just the audiocast or being enable to see something on video and obviously you know from the number of low hits that we're getting on the audio visual we're not really--people aren't interested in that kind of transparency and that is one of the reasons that I was wondering whether or not people are actually even accessing the documents. But I do agree that I would--you know regarding technology, I would really like to see us put the money into offering the technology that really delivers services and education to the students rather than showing us having the meeting 'cause I think, I'm not sure that that really delivers the transparency that we're hoping for. >> Mr. Baum. >> One thing I just--that leads--that we--which is and Mr. Martin has been wonderfully consistent on this and we all, we should--we could put every expenditure through that test and it would cost--I would argue that it cost as much for us to have meetings at the San Marino Library in added expenditures as it does to have the cameras at that same meeting, so if wanna talk about every expenditure that this board undertakes to actually inform the public, we can weigh that and then we should argue is that taking money away from instruction and if it is we should then make that decision, are we gonna spend it on this or are we gonna spend it on instruction? Are we gonna spend it on that are we gonna spend it on coffee and beverage service at board meeting? Are we gonna save, you know, 1500 dollars during the course of the year not to do that so that we can actually contribute towards instruction. I mean, we can go down that path if that's what we wanna do. >> Dr. Mann? >> Yes, I just wanna go back to this number, this 1575 and Mr. Martin referred to what we heard at the conference for the--the gentleman from the Gates Foundation, I think this was where it was, it may be on another conference, there is a Professor at Berkeley, a well-known physicist who's put like physics 1 on YouTube and he's got 486,000 hits, we got 1575. >> We have done very little to promote that accessibility. >> I think he did very little to promote his physics class. >> Okay. Let's--let me pretend I served some function here. [ Laughter ] >> Alex Soto? >> Thank you if I may. I think if this board wants to continue in transparency. I would agree with Martin's comments in saying that, I think in audio--and I'll say this as someone who has gone on and looked at the web cast and had been part of that, 1575 number on that presentation. Having that audio cast I think serves the same function in transparency and people knowing what transpired in this meeting in conjunction with having the documents up that videos serve as well. If you wanna have the videos, that's the discussion to have but it may be more cost-effect to look into audio--just audio translation and documents on there and be just as transparent and I think this board has gone in the way of transparency with going out and reaching out to the community. I think continuing things like that will help as well. >> Well, let me offer my thoughts on this and I said, we'll all come back in two weeks or four weeks and have further discussion about it. But I think there is a distinction that can be logically, easily be drawn between video presentations for online instruction and broadcasting meetings of this nature. City council meetings are broadcast. I don't know how many people watch those. I don't think it has a huge audience, like Tony, I never watched him while I was on the city council, I certainly do not watch him since I was no longer on the city council. But there are people who do. And people who I think stumble upon or don't know that we exist on video and watch us when it happens. But I think that there is really an important mission and I know I'm kinda going back to my pied piper's approach here but I really do believed that education is the issue of our days. And the more we can do to let the public know what the challenges are with education and what the needs are then the better off, we're all gonna be. I think one way of doing that, albeit not all that successful is to televise our meetings, maybe if we need to talk with PCAC and do a better job of scheduling things or maybe we need to talk with the city and see what they can do to be helpful to us. But certainly, 17,715 dollars per year is peanuts. We're spending more time and more money than that probably just the time we're talking about this so that's not really the issue and I don't--again, I have not researched this scientifically but I would bet that more people would watch things on television than listen to an audio. I mean how many people sit at home listening to the radio or the internet? I mean it happens yes, but I think televising the meetings is a much more effective way of communicating to the public what it is that we're doing and what our needs and our challenges are, so we can have further debate I guess in a couple of weeks or four weeks time, depending on the content and length of our upcoming agendas but it's a good topic. I think anybody who would like to maybe form an Ad Hoc Committee and sit down and talk further about this and explore ways to effectively reach the public whether it be television or whatever else, you know, just shoot an e-mail or volunteer and we'll be glad to followup with it but I think that it's something that we're looking at that's really important and I know we all agree with that. >> Yes, Dr. Mann? >> I just wanna point out. I think the most effective way we have in reaching the public is through KPCC which has what? 700,000 listeners or so forth and we're there every hour on the top of the hour and people do tell me, you know, I heard that and then will we have information on there like, you know, PCC top transfer for such and such I've actually been in events and people come up to me and say, did you know PCC was this? And I said, "Really, that's interesting." And they got it off then. So, I mean, and that in a sense doesn't cost the acceptance part of our contract with southern California radio. So, again I just can't get over this 1575 as compared to hundreds of thousands of people in the area who hear KPCC. >> Okay. Any further discussion this evening on this or? >> I was just gonna ask one, if why--could you clarify for the board what the timeline for the decision is? >> The current contract with PCAC ends June 30th of this year. >> Okay. >> So after the 30th, the new fiscal here. >> So I would ask the board to take it under advisement and as to how will--the board will choose to discuss this and bring back a final recommendation. The last thing just following up on a comment, if our friends from PCAC could step away from the camera and raise your hand and give us your names so we could thank you for this year of service, so. >> Yeah. Who's standing there? >> Kevin Bruce. >> Kevin Bruce and you guys back there? >> That's our guys back there. >> Okay, those guys. Well, what's your name? You guys are working so hard, every time we have these board meetings. Good for you and-- [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Alright, let's gives these guys a big hand. >> The guys outside in the truck right now. >> That's right. [ Laughter ] >> Who's in the truck? [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Okay, well thanks very much then we'll take this up, try to get on the next meeting which is on the 15th of this month or something. The next on the agenda is item L, 2 policy recommendations, Dr. Mann do you want to speak of this please. >> Yes. These have both beyond as the cover memo says, they have been compared to model policies provided by the California Community College League and reviewed by the colleges' executive committee and the college council. The first one of these which is a--on the addition of the Associate Degrees and Arts for transfer and Associate Degrees in Science for transfer comes out of the legislation that was carried last year which establishes these degrees. >> And I'm--and if you remember the last time we approved I think it was 12 or 14 majors or 2 go with that but that doesn't do very much good to have the major without having the degree. So this is like the second step that is the new--the new policy and actually on the 4060 what we're doing is just adding the associate degree, adding those two degrees. I would also remind the board that we only approve the policy, we do not approve the procedures but if you'd look at the procedures, the changes in the procedures are also very, very minor. Just add in the Associate Arts and transfer and so what I would--and in t he second one, if you wanna do the two together, this is a new policy. It gives a, you know, a philosophy of the why we have the associate degree. I think it's also a part of the whole transfer mode to make sure that our associate degree is acceptable and compatible with the four year colleges and what they do in their first two years. And again we only are approving the policy and I would like to recommend that we approve both to these policies. >> Is that a motion? >>Yes it is. >>Is there a second? >> Second. >> And moved by Dr. Mann, seconded by Ms. Wah that we approve both policy 4060 and---? >> 4062. >> 4062. Any questions? Mr. Martin? >> I kinda tried to forewarn Dr. Rocha of this. So I got a little confused in reading this, and so maybe it's just really clear and I missed it, so I'd like to hear it instead of read it. I was trying to understand difference between--I'm gonna just blab all the questions, Ed I think knows what's coming, what the difference between an associate degree for transfer and an associate degree are and I realized science for science so I got the difference between science and arts. And then following that the role or the requirement, is there a requirement for PE in both either and or of those and finally, I know there's--it used to be in the requirements at lease for UC when I was here and again, you're counseling, so you know this Ed, that that some of the institutions, and I'm not sure about the Cal State's didn't require PE but we require PE and I thought at one time we were trying to angle a certain degree where you received a degree that had the academic components without the Physical Education component. And so again is that part of this, is there such a program like this so if you can kind of clear me up on all of that. >> Okay. I will try to answer those questions and actually if you were to look at the procedure section of 46-D which is on the second page the first part describes what a student would need to complete either an AA or an AS degree here at Pasadena City College. So this is what we referred to as the traditional degree and it does indeed have a PE component. But if you look at the very next page at the top, again, those are our local GE requirements. Page 3 at the top, students can ought to graduate making use of IGETC or the CSU general education pattern and for those options students do not have to complete the PE requirement, okay? So students have options the local requirements or you might say the transfer requirements. >> And the one on the top of page 3 is that the associate degree for transfer? >> Actually that is the--sort of a traditional associate's degree. >> So within the traditional there're options? >> Yes, even within the traditional there's option. The new part is actually section 3 immediately below that. It's sort of in bold print and that incorporates the changes brought about by Senate Bill 1440 and for those--for that option students must make use of IGETC or the CSU GE pattern and once again those patterns o not have Physical Education has a component. >> So, that's kind--okay, so I understand except for I was kind of doing this trying to figure out what the difference is between the transfer and non-transfer and about the fifth flip I got dizzy thinking about it. What's the difference? >> The first one--well, the second one again Section 3 on that we just referred to is the one that is tied to Senate 1440. It will be tied then to guaranteed acceptance by the CSU system, it may be that with time, this new section may just ultimately replace that entire first section that we were referring to so that we can clarify the options that students have as they transfer. For, now we have chosen to retain both options to give students clear catalogue rights, as they sort of go through to the system. We don't want to take any graduation opportunities away from students but it's really that new Section 3 that is going to be what we take forward into the future, you might say. >> So both sections are 60 units, right? >> Yes, that's correct. >> Both sections are class courses number 1 to 99. >> That's correct. >> I know there' a lot more letters on the first section talking about English 1A competency and different things but is there any other, without me trying--I just couldn't figure out what else is different. >> Well, Section 3 again is relatively short compared to that first section. You're right it doesn't go into as much detail because the requirements under IGETC and the CSU general education pattern are actually--those really come to us through transfer guidelines and so we simply make us of those transfer guidelines for awarding our degrees based on IGETC or CSU GE pattern. >> Could I add something and if I'm not correct, you can correct me. It's my understanding that the--one of the real strengths of the transfer degree for the students is that the two year colleges cannot add extra courses. I mean, you have these 60 units and whatever, nor can the 4-year colleges so when the student transfers in the transfer degree with 60 units, then when they get to the four year colleges and, you know, it's at Cal State Northridge for years. Cal State Northridge can't say well you've got to take 15 more units. They only have to take the next 60 units as agreed in this transfer of degree. So, this is a tremendous improvement-- >> That is correct Dr. Mann. >> --for the students who are here and they really wanna transfer. It will enable the student to move through much quicker and of course they always have the options of doing--of doing these other things. And the kind of details of some, this is still being worked up by the senate committee is it not? >> Yes, we're still waiting to get some clarification from the CSU system. >> Thank you. >> Any questions? >> Both policies have been thoroughly reviewed by the C&I Curriculum & Instruction Committee and by the academic senate. >> Other questions or comments? The Student Trustee? >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? The motion carries. >> We are now to item M AB 684, Dr. Mann, discussion of possible action. >> I passed out to all the board members an update on the AB 684. A few of you have something on the back, but then I realized you really don't need it 'cause it just had some contact information but AB 684 is a bill that was--that the community college leave as Assembly Member Marty Block who's from San Diego who is a former community college trustee to Carrie and what it addresses is the California voting rights act requires that if you have at large elections and there's a possibility that having that elections at large would disenfranchise a recognized community that you then must have what they call wards which is what we call districts. The document that I handed out is a decision that recently Modesto City Council 3 million dollars in legal fees and then they had to switch to this. The word that's coming out, you know, from the league and from everyone else that I have heard is if you have at large elections, you really, really ought to consider changing and districting, making districts. But the problem here is that in order to do that, there's an earlier law that community colleges, the only way they can make the change is there has to be an election, a vote. You have to give the voters the option of deciding this. However, the K-12 do not have to that. >> So what this bill would do would be that if a community college district decided it wanted to establish again what they call wards which with us that would be districts. They can do so by having a resolution and going to the board of governors. And if the board of governors approved it, they then would not have to have an election. Now, this does not affect us because we do have boards but most of the districts in the state do not. And if you will remember when we were going through the process of selecting our distinguished trustee from South Pasadena in San Marino, their part of the discussion was how much would it cost to have an election for just that one district and it was what Dr. van Pelt like 200,000 dollars. >> More like 300. >> 300--300,000 dollars. >> Linda was expensive. >> Yes, she was. [ Laughter ] >> And so if you look at the--there's 73 districts in the state and you look at the amount of money it would cost to implement this compared to having a process where the board could simply get approval from the board of governors, I think that we should support this and go on record as supporting it. Now, this bill actually is out of the senate and is now, I mean out of the assembly, and is now in the senate. But obviously, the more colleges who support the bill the better the chance it has of passing. But again, in the financial crisis, I don't think very many districts wanna spend, you know, with us it would be what, 3 times 21. It would be over 2 million dollars if we would have to do that. So I will be happy to answer questions but I am moving that we support AB684. >> Is there a second to that? >> Second. >> Then moved and seconded. Any discussion, questions, comments? Ready for a vote? Student trustee. >> Aye. >> All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> All opposed, motion carries. >> As we move to future business, board meeting dates, I wanted to make one comment in a sense of an announcement. Pasadena Committee City--Pasadena Area Community College District bylaw 1680 deals with evaluation of the performance of the superintendent president and it provides that when the fall semester begins on, you know, odd numbered year, the evaluation will be conducted with input from the board alone. When the fall semester begins on even numbered year, the evaluation will be conducted by the board with input from the faculty, staff and students as described in paragraph 4 below in the bylaw. Because of the fact that Dr. Rocha has been with the college less than a year and under the time line provided he would have been here roughly only 8 months when the evaluation began the Board of Trustees has made some adaptations in this for this year and he is not going even though the fall semester began in 2010 an even number year we're going to pursue the alternative to this, the odd number year where the evaluation will be conducted with input from the board alone, and so I just wanted to make that announcement and to be clear about it that we are in the process of doing this and it's underway. But we will be following the procedure not what the bylaws requires by given the special circumstances we're going to deviate from that and make some adaptations to our bylaw for this purpose. Mr. Martin? >> I comment through some other adaptations that need to be made just because of the schedule and the timing and-- >> Right. >> When things happen when would have meant, you know, this first day on the job and then the second day on the job we start evaluating or something crazy. So it's not just that one adaptation but there's actually several that are involved including how we handled the schedule but we certainly plan on doing some form of evaluation. >> We will do a thorough evaluation, yes. Okay. We are in--on to future board meeting dates. Wednesday June 15th. This is gonna be a regular business being not a study session as the contrary to the practice we've been following. Open Session will start at 6:30, Closed Session at 5 O'clock. On Wednesday July the 6th even though on our calendar that's said to be dark we feel that we need to have a meeting and so we're going to have again the regular meeting starting at 6:30 Close Session at 5 and again then on July the 20th, the same thing so Mr. Baum? >> I'm on the California Postsecondary Education Commission which has a meeting on the 15th so I may not be here until about 7. And then I will be out of town on the 6th of July so I will not be able to--so if we can we reschedule that I would request that. >> I hate to tell you Mr. President but I have to go to Italy and teach the month of July. >> Again? [ Laughter ] [ Inaudible Remarks ] >> Last year he did this and I told him I say I think you really ought to take your lawyer with you but the guy declined. [ Laughter ] >> I'm taking the vice-president of the university this year. [ Laughter ] >> What is your schedule on--are you gone in the entire week of 6th, Geoff? >> Yeah, the entire week of the 6th. >> Okay, well we can--we'll see if we can work around that somehow but as of right now we're planning meeting on the 6th so we assume you want to take part by telephone from Italy? [ Laughter ] [ Inaudible Remark ] >> 4 in the morning. >> Right. >> Are there any future agenda items that we should take up? >> The only--I just for the next meeting we are gonna take up the student activities fee. And I'm going to propose--I'm not proposing a reduction or an elimination, but I will be proposing a modification in the policy and I want them to be able to do--make sure it's a discussion with possible action so we can do that. >> And you'll get to your proposals modifications or amendment to us in advance? >> Sure, absolutely. >> Okay, good. Alright. One other comment I should have mentioned before, the Pasadena Sister Cities Committee had a day of concerts at Memorial Park on the 21st of May. And they had a lot of different groups performing including a group from Pasadena City College which was very well received and people were very impressed with PCC and our group performing and so I wanted to mention that and commend them and thank them very much for being a part of that, so. >> The purpose of that was to raise money for the people in Japan and we have a--Pasadena has a sister city in Japan, Mishima and although Mishima was not directly affected there are a lot of relatives and so people that are unaccounted for and so the money that was raised by the sister city committee will go to the people of Mishima to help locate and assist the people in Northern Japan, so. Anything else to be brought up, if not we are adjourned. [ Silence ]