[ Background Discussions ] >> I apologize for interrupting the celebration but the -- >> Life must go on. >> This is meeting of the Pasa City College Board of Trustees. It has to be brought to order here. [ Pause ] >> If we can Ms. Thompson, let's begin with roll call please. >> Here. >> Mr. Baum. >> Mr. Martin. >> Here. >> Ms. Brown. >> Here. >> Dr. Fellow. >> Here. >> Dr. Mann. >> Present. >> Ms. Wah. >> Present. >> Mr. Soto. >> Is there any public comment with respect to items on the closed session agenda, which is Government Code 54956.9D1, Conference of Legal Counsel regarding anticipated litigation for cases. Government Code 54957, Employee Evaluation. Superintendent of President. Also Public Employee Appointments. Chemistry Two. Teacher Specialist. Learning and Other Disabilities One. Counselor Three. Digital Media One. Mathematics Basis Skills Two. Music Theory One. Psychology One. Architectural. Visual. Communications One. Wow. Government Code Section 54957, Employee Discipline. Dismissal. Release. 54957.6, Negotiation on Representative Employee. College Superintendent President. [Inaudible] Negotiators, Mr. Thompson and Ms. Dowell. 54957.6, Selective Bargaining. PCCFA; CSEA 777; ISSUPOA. Negotiator Mr. Engeldinger. 54957.6, Negotiation on Representative Employees. Confidential; Management Association. Again, the designated negotiator is Mr. Engeldinger. So anyone wishing to address the Board on closed session items? Not appearing. The Board will adjourn to close the session, and we will be back in open session at six-thirty. [ Silence ] >> The Board of Trustees is back in open session. The closed session there was action taken, that's resolved in one reportable item and that is the following: Dean Engeldinger Advised the Board that when he accepted the position of Dean of Human Services on a permanent basis back in 2009, he did so with the commitment that the salary he would be paid would be at a certain level. Unfortunately, as sometimes happens, regrettably, that was not the salary which was established for the position of the Dean of Human Services. And so this has been brought to our attention. And the Board has reviewed this along with counsel and advice of counsel and satisfied not only that Dean Engeldinger reasonably expected his salary would be greater than it has been but also that he has performed at a level that exceeds the existing job description for Dean of Human Resources. And therefore, the Board, in closed session, agreed unanimously to pay Mr. Engeldinger the extra amount of money that he was entitled to receive, which amounts to a total $31,744 for the last two years. So that is the reportable action that was taken. >> Did you tell him to his retirement has been rescinded too? >> No, actually, as a point of privilege, I thank the President for announcing that action. And of course, you know, I want to thank Lyle for his wonderful work this year, and a very challenging year for what also has been an important friendship this year. And of course, actually, Lyle is in a special class. He is actually not a retiree; so he is not gotten many of the event parties, you know, so, but this is our opportunity to thank Lyle sincerely for his service for the college. >> Thank you Dr. Richard. Thank you, the Board, very much. >> Actually, what he's doing is he's obeying the dictates of a certain person he has been attached to for a few years. >> Forty-two. >> Namely, come back to Northern California. Okay. Let's have the Pledge of Allegiance. And if we could ask Mr. Soto to lead us in that please. [ Pause ] >> [Multiple Voices] I Pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [ Pause ] >> The first item of business we have is the approval of the minutes. Meeting Number 12, our regular business meeting of June 1 of this year. Are there additions or corrections or questions with respect to the minutes? >> If not, motion to approve. >> Second. >> It has been moved as seconded. Are there any questions or comments, et cetera? If not, advisory vote. >> I. >> All in favor say I. >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> All opposed? Motion carries. The next is introduction of guest. Anybody have any guests they want to introduce? Okay. Announcement recognition. The Board of Trustees. Mr. Baum. >> Just I've been appointed to the state's Postsecondary Education Commission. It's the coordinating body between all the intersegmental groups, the UCCSU's, the community colleges, and the independence. We had a meeting yesterday and today in Sacramento, and we're trying to help take advantage of this crisis of the state budget, which we're hoping that we'll have a state budget by the end of today, to advance some reforms and develop a comprehensive agenda, a vision for higher education in California. So we'll keep the Board apprised of that. Number Two, is that I had asked at a previous meeting, the previous meeting to have a review of the policy with respect to the student fee. After consultation with Dr. Rocha, we withdrew that from the agenda at this meeting, and we will be revisiting that at a future meeting. >> Okay. Dr. Mann. >> I've been asked -- I've been invited by the Little Hoover Commission to participate in a meeting they're having on 22 June on community college governments. So I will be attending that. There's about, I don't know, 10, 11 Trustees from across the state who are invited to do that. >> Very good. Ms. Wah. >> I think most of you probably already know, but Dr. Gary Woods who is the superintendent for the San Marino was just hired too, and he's gone, going over to Beverly Hills to be their new superintendent. And San Marino now has a new Superintendent, Loren Kleinrock who is the Principal for the high school. So hopefully we'll get a chance to meet him soon. >> Okay. Dr. Fellow, any announcements? >> Nothing tonight. Thank you. >> Ms. Mann. >> Nothing. >> I have a couple of things. One, I attended Saturday at the gymnasium here at the GM building. The Middle School Robotics Competition and Pasa, the Middle Schools, actually sponsored by the Pasa Educational Foundation. And Dr. Rocha was there for a part of it, others were there. It was just an incredible experience to be there to watch all these middle school kids running around with their robots and redoing the software and really having a great time as they were competing in this. It was just thrilling to watch. It was a very, very successful event. Everyone was thrilled to have it at the Pasa City College. So it looks like we may be a venue for that, upcoming years as well. Second, we got this announcement of the college about reading skills and speed reading programs for children and adults. Dr. Rocha, why don't you take a moment to just highlight some of that for us so that people are aware of what it is that we're offering or maybe others. >> I had actually asked the President -- >> Yeah. >> -- to look into that. >> Okay. >> So I don't know if there's -- >> Okay. >> It was the question on the extended learning program, the reading program. >> I understand. What is it? >> Just a highlight of what we're doing. It's just an amazing program. It's offered this summer in Arcadia and on campus. And it got three programs for four-year-olds through entering second graders, Phoenix comprehension, independent reading. And then you go to two programs entering third-graders, entering fourth and fifth graders. >> Correct. >> It's amazing. >> This is the Institute of Reading Development. We have been very fortunate to partner with them for more than a decade. They run an exceptional program. The instructors are all teachers, credentialed teachers that do work for them during the summer. We do, as you mentioned, hold classes here at the main campus. We also contract with Arcadia Unified to hold classes out there. And it is a program that does start with pre-kindergarten. It does run up through adult for those individuals that, for instance, are going to law school and want to learn how to speed read so that they can maximize their time in classes. So it's a very good relationship that we have in place. Another President, David Zalhaway [Assumed Spelling] of IRD, a very well -- and they are based out of Northern California, so. >> Great. Thank you. This is -- sounds like a tremendous program. >> It is. >> I'll comment. >> Okay. >> My family's participated in the program at Arcadia. And I'm very grateful we are doing that kind of thing out in the community, like at Arcadia High. And it is an exceptional program. >> Thank you. Yes. >> Arcadia rocks. Let's face it [Laughter]. >> I'm not sure if we have to go quite that far, but. One of the things that I just wanted to call everyone's attention, is you're probably well aware we have renamed the Hall of Fame and Court of Champions in honor of Dick Ratliff at Alumnus PCC, and a very well-known person in the community. He wrote a letter to us and just said I thank you and the Board of Trustees for the honor of having my name on the entrance to the PCC Court of Champions. Quite frankly, I was overwhelmed. I have chaired this project for many years and so promoted whenever possible. Recently told our friend of all the leadership opportunities that I've experienced over the last 50 years. This one means the most to me. My family and I thank you. Dick Ratliff. So I wanted to just to share that with all of you. So. Okay. Mr. Dr. Rocha. >> Yes. Thank you President Thompson. My report has to do with the theme of commencement. And earlier I reported to the Trustees and to the Executive Committee and I report for the record that, you know, given the theme of commencement and graduation, that Community College Weekly published this morning the top 100 community colleges in the nation for granting Associate Degrees. And we have always been in the top 100. Last year, we were 73rd in the nation, which is pretty good. This year, we came up 30 spots and we're 43rd in the nation. And, you know, as I say in a thumbnail, you know, we're working under our educational master plan, which if you just boil it down, is we're going to keep working until we're Number One. Because the moment that -- literally, 48 hours from now we'll begin the commencement ceremony and celebrate that transformative moment when an individual walks across the stage in front of family and friends and receives their degree, their college degree. So with that, I would like to call up Dean Scott Fair. And he's brought with him some people that we want to recognize are summa cum laude. And the other guy's going to give a brief report on the commencement and then introduce our summa cum laude's, who we will celebrate with the reception at five o'clock, and also introduce the Valedictorian. So Scott. >> All right. Thank you Dr. Rocha. Mr. Thompson, members of the Board. It is the time of year for the celebration of our commencement. And today, I'm fortunate enough to have with me two groups of folks. One, is our summa cum laude students; and the other is our special recognition recipients. You should have received a handout with just the basic itinerary for the pre-commencement reception, which will take place Friday, this Friday starting at five. We look forward to seeing you all at that ceremony. This is our 86th Annual Commencement Ceremony here at Pasa City College. I've provided just some brief information about the ceremony, who are our speakers, Dr. Ramon Cortines former superintendent of LA, San Francisco, Pasadena, amongst many other things. And so we have this year, we have 566 students participating in commencement. We average about 535. So it's a little bit up. About 1600 graduates this year total. So that number is rising as well. Sometimes we see a dip just because of the two years. We'll get a flux in the beginning and then we'll see them out two years later or so. So our participation is where we'd like to see it. We have this year 25 Summa Cum Laude students. These are the 4.0 students. So throughout their career here at Pasa City College, they've only received A's. So that is quite an accomplishment. We have three with us this evening, and I would like to have them come up. The three that we have tonight, we have Aaron Hamachi, Cara Mang, and then our student who will be delivering the valedictory address, Maria Anthony. So if I can ask them to come on up. [ Applause ] >> We had a meeting with all the summa cum laude's. And basically, the process that we used to decide who speaks is that they give a 2 to 3-minute speech to their peers and then they vote on who they think should speak. And so this year Maria is the one that received the most votes from the group; and so they selected her to speak. So let me -- if you wanted to say a few things. I told him that you didn't have to say a whole lot. But I just wanted to give him an opportunity if they'd like to. [ Pause ] >> Hi. I'm Cara Mang. And in 2009, I graduated from Arcadia High School. And my major right now is Biology. And I'll be attending USC next year with a major in Health Promotion and Disease Prevention. [ Applause ] >> My name is Maria Anthony. I am Valedictorian. And I am graduating from PCC and going to UCLA. And I'm a History and Political Science major. Hopefully will graduate in honors and go to law school, hopefully. [ Applause ] >> Hi everyone. I'm Aaron Hamachi. And I'm a Network Engineer for NBC Universal. I've been doing information technology for the last 22 years or so. You know, it was a terrific time here at Pasadena City College. And I hope to continue my education to hopefully teach the next generation information technology too. So thank you. [ Applause ] >> So these are the three of our outstanding students who've done an outstanding job while they were here at PCC, and we know that they will continue to do wonderful things. So they'll be available Friday to have more interaction, take photos, et cetera. But I just want to thank them for coming out and just being recognized today. >> Mr. Thompson, could I ask if Maria and Aaron would tell us what high school they went to? >> Sure. >> I went to Immaculate Heart High school. It's in Hollywood. I actually graduated two years early; so I'm a little young. >> Okay. Thank you. >> San Clemente High School, class of 1987. [ Laughter ] >> So those are our summa cum laude's for 2011. [ Applause ] >> Next, I just have the privilege of introducing our special recognition recipients of each year. The college has a committee of faculty staff, administration, and students as well as foundation representatives who select a person or group who has made a contribution to the college. And this year we have our community campus, community representative who's with us this evening, and that would be Ms. Shirley Burt. >> All right. Shirley. >> All right. [ Applause and Background Discussions ] >> I want to thank you very much for this honor, but I want to take this opportunity to thank the people who got me into all these opportunities. The first one was Jean Han [Assumed Spelling]. I just wanted everybody to remember her name and that the example she set for all of us. And the second is Marge Wyatt [Assumed Spelling], who got me into more things that I could ever count. And the last, was Anne [Assumed Spelling] Purcell [Assumed Spelling] who was honored at our 75th celebration here at PCC. So without those people I wouldn't be here tonight. So it's the results of their efforts. And thank you very much. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Shirley. Shirley, if you would -- >> Don't leave. >> We're going to -- >> Stay there. >> Moved to Item I on the agenda while you're there and deal with that commencement special recognition, Shirley Burt. Let me just take a moment and read the resolution quickly. Whereas the friend of Pasa City College has given more than 65 years to transforming PCC and the Veterans Institution; whereas her ties with PCC were forged the student that Pasa Junior College where she earned her High School and Associate of Arts Diplomas before transferring to a four-year university to pursue her dream of a nursing career; whereas her dedication, education, the support of students is evidence as a member of the PCC Nursing Alumni Association and the PCC Parent-Teacher Student Association; whereas her commitment to students is unmistakable as a member of the PCC Foundation, an advocate for students to access to higher education through scholarships and other financial assistance; whereas her tireless efforts in support of the community through her role on the education committee of the League of Women Voters, and the YMCA has served as a model to students and her peers within the past Erie Community College District and now, therefore, be it resolved that the Board of Trustees bestows upon Shirley Burt special community recognition of the 2011 Commencement Ceremony of Paso City College. Congratulations. Very, very well deserved and earned. Thank you so much. >> Thank you very, very much. >> Move to adoption of the resolution. >> [Multiple Voices] Second. >> Okay. Advisory vote. >> I. >> All in favor. >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> There's nobody going to oppose this one. >> Thank you. It's a great honor. >> Passed unanimously. Thank you. [ Applause ] >> The second individual or organization is the special recognition for the campus. This year we've had, as we've heard earlier, 87 retirees. And so the committee thought it would be appropriate to recognize the PCC Retirees Association, not just for their work this year, but for the work they've done in the past 20 plus years working with the retirees. The President of the Retirees Association is Harry Kalahari [Assumed Spelling]. He's unable to be here this evening. But I believe the former President Dick Chamberlain is here. And if he could come up to the podium. >> Okay. >> Welcome. [ Pause ] >> Am I supposed to say anything [Laughter]? When I left home, my wife said keep your mouth shut so you'll stay out of trouble. All I want to say is that the Retirees Association has been very appreciative of the support that we have gotten from the President's office through the years, and we trust that will continue. And you're giving us a big shot this year. Huge. I think you're giving us the best talent you've got, almost. So thank you very much for recognizing the Retirees Association. >> Well, while you're there, let's move to Item J on our agenda, which is adoption of resolution Number 479, conferring commencement; special recognition of the Paso City College Retiree Association. Discussion of possible action. >> So move. >> Move. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. I will not read all of this one, but just recognize that the Retirees Association and thanks them for their contributions to the college over the years. And certainly, as you pointed out, with 87 new people as definite members, you're on a roll. So we are grateful for that. >> We're getting you some good people. >> You definitely are. You definitely are. The advisory vote. >> I. >> All in favor? >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> Nobody opposed this one either. So passed unanimously. Thank you so very much. [ Applause ] >> So we look forward to seeing you all on Friday, two days away, and for another successful commencement ceremony. Thank you. >> Thank you Scott. >> My report. >> Okay. [Inaudible] Governess representatives, Ms. Hammond [Assumed Spelling]. >> Last, we had our last AS meeting for the 2010-2011 board last week. And so the 2011 and 2012 board will resume their meetings over which Ashley Jackson the new AS President elect will be presiding. And the associated students will be having their end-of-the-year banquet on Wednesday, June 22 at which the winners of the AS scholarships will be announced. And that concludes my final report for my year. >> And you're going on to Bradley University, is it? >> Yes, Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois. >> Fantastic. Congratulations. Thank you very much for your outstanding service for the college. [ Applause ] >> Mr. Martinez. >> No report this evening. Thank you. >> Dr. Douglas. >> No report. Thank you. >> Mr. Miller. >> No report. Thank you. >> My goodness. Ms. Chapman. >> Thank you. No report this evening. >> Mr. Engeldinger. >> No report. Thank you. >> Dr. Sugimoto. >> Thank you, Mr. Thompson. No report for me. >> My goodness. Dr. Wilcox. >> Well, I was thinking about saying I've got a 20-minute report [Laughter]. No report. >> Dr. Jacobs. >> No report. >> Dr. van Pelt. [ Inaudible ] >> My goodness. We're on a roll here. Have I missed anybody? Or? Okay. Public comment on non-agenda items. We have some requests, been turned in. First is Ellie [Assumed Spelling] Oligny [Assumed Spelling]. [ Applause ] >> Hi everybody. I want to say thank you for the chance to address the board. I'm here tonight to speak on a couple of issues that I know are personal to me, but I think also reflect concerns of students across the campus. The first one, and the reason I came tonight was the student activity fee because I wasn't able to be here at the last meeting. I just wanted to speak to the personal academic benefit that I had from this fee. I participated in the borders of diversity conference on campus, and it consisted of five panels of students. The topics ranged from English literature to social issues. And we had a keynote speaker here as well. I believe Dr. Rocha was in attendance. And I just wanted to speak -- and I believe it was Trustee Martin who was concerned that there wasn't academic benefit from the fee, and I just wanted to state that. I've heard criticism at the past meetings from some of the board members of this fee. And I understand concerns, but I've also heard that board members are in favor of this fee and supportive. And so I would like to ask that those board members who do support the fee please do speak out for the students because we would love to hear your voice and hear your support, even if you are supporting it behind closed doors. So there's that. Also I've heard criticism of the fee in terms of how the money is being spent. And all this goes back to a topic that I commented on at the beginning of the school year, which is the budget, the college's budget. And my biggest concern is that the kind of scrutiny that's potentially going to be afforded to the student activity fee is not necessarily being afforded to the college's budget. And my greatest concern, that I haven't had a chance to address before, is the $35,000 that was allocated to conducting interviews at the West Inn Hotel. This concerns me because I know that we are about to face financial crisis and classes have already been cut from the fall semester. And so I just wanted to ask where the interviews for the presidential candidates were held, if the same kind of funding was allocated for those interviews and just where the interviews were conducted. [ Pause ] >> Are you waiting for an answer now? >> Yes, please, if possible. I know you were able to answer another speaker's comments. >> As I recall, the interviews were held at the Anthony [Inaudible] Caltech. I don't recall where they were put up, where the people were. Certainly, housing was provided. We had I think six people brought in, and their expenses were paid and housing was provided for them. I don't recall where they were actually housed, whether it was at Caltech or someplace else. But we certainly can find that information for you and provide it to you. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. >> But this is a standard practice. If you bring people in for interviews, you have to pay their expenses in coming in, and so that includes hotels and sometimes airfare, et cetera, so. The next speaker's card we have is Jocelyn -- I think it's Jocelyn Silva. [ Applause ] >> It's Jocelyn Silva. Good evening. My name is Jocelyn Silva, and I'm one of the officers of the PCC Feminist Club. I came also to talk about the student activity fee and how it's benefited our club. So the student activity fee helped us put on two great events this semester. Feminist coming out, they helped on Circadian. In the beginning of the semester was an event in which we had a panel of speakers come and talk about their experiences with feminism. It was a great learning experience for many to hear about different perspectives and different ways that people live feminism in their lives. Another event we had was a pro-choice rally held by the Merrow [Phonetic] Pools recently in which we gave out information on abortion mortality rates all over the world as care prevention and pregnancy prevention. This fee has given us opportunity to share our passion of gender equality with others in our community. And these events have brought us closer to our members and to the student body as a whole. So thank you [Applause]. >> Thank you. Next is Marshall Lewis. [ Pause ] >> First of all, thank you for allowing me to address the board. Good afternoon. And I'd like to thank you all for your continued support. Without the things that you do here, our college experience probably wouldn't run as smoothly as I feel it's going right now. I recognize that you probably heard this all before, and most anything I can say you probably already know; so I'll try and keep it to the point. I'm Marshall Lewis. I'm the Vice President of the Veterans Club here on campus. And I think most of you know that we had the Memorial Day event at the Wall. We recognize those that have fallen before us, and we're able to share stories to commemorate them. More recently, we had the veterans graduation -- I'm sorry. But some of you gave us a chance to recognize the progress of veterans that have served our country and then came back to better their education. It also gave us a great opportunity to have the first initiation of the PCC Salute Chapter. For those of you who don't know this, this is the Veteran Honor Society. And I'd also like to thank Dr. Thompson and Dr. Rocha for being our guest speakers at these events. Also last year, we were able to send two veteran representatives to Washington, DC to establish some standards for our college etiquette and things that go on here as far as veteran benefits and opportunities. All these things are nice and these are the things everyone sees, but what is really important to all of us is the things you don't see, like when a veteran is about to quit school because he's uncomfortable in this new unfamiliar environment and a veteran club member meets him at a function, happens to be passing by and shows him the ropes and familiarizes with him and bring him back and then almost a year later, he's standing in front of the Board of Trustees. That was me. Also when a veteran's struggling in classes -- and I know some of you are probably military know, that you have that battle mind where you don't want to seek out help. You want to do it all on your own. The Veterans Club combined with the Veteran Resource Center tries to seek out those students and provide the help they need. Also this club thing, we all recognize that it's an academic support group. It's a social network. But what I haven't heard anyone say yet, and I think that most club members of any club would recognize, is that a club to us is more than that. It's a family. And I think that clubs are probably the most influential thing that shape our college experience. Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Certainly, having been at both the Memorial Day celebration and the event here last week with Dr. Rocha, I can certainly say it was a very moving and very important and impressive evening. So I'm very grateful to have had the opportunity to be a part of it. The next request we have is from Nicholas Smith. [ Applause ] >> Hi. First, I'd like to just reiterate with some of my fellow students has said tonight. I think what they're really trying to do is just stress the importance of the activity fee and how much the activity fee means to them. I agree with Ellie, and I think that those board members who aren't in support of it, we would really appreciate to hear you speak out, to tell us how much it actually means to you to hear the students come up to discuss how it's benefited their college experience. But what I've come here tonight to talk about, is last time I was up here I was inquiring about the time, place, and manner, and inquiring about the original mandate or whatever was required that instigated the whole time, place, and manner back in 2003. I want to say thank you. I wasn't able to get a hold of the documents. I was able to read over what the judge had recommended because it was a recommendation, like you said. And it says in Number Three of the recommendations that the Office of Student Affairs should review the Student Regulations Code and time, place, and manner rules for noncommercial expressive activities with the leaders of the interclub counsel and enforce the rules of student conduct. Now, I'm very concerned because I don't believe this happened. I believe that it went straight to the academic Senate. And I wanted to ask you tonight if you could educate me on why you made the decision to overpass his recommendation and have the time, place, and manner looked at by the academic Senate. >> Well, I can only say President Thompson -- be helpful. I'm not aware of any such decision that this board has made. >> It's on the next page. It says that, I mean, they said that -- >> Okay. This is supposed to be public comment, not public interaction, and so I think he should say what he'd like to say. >> Oh, no. Sure. >> And if he has request for information, maybe you can do some research if it's within the context. >> [Inaudible] I thought he had put the question. >> But I don't think it's the right approach that we get into a dialogue as part of public comment on non-agenda items. >> Well, I think he's asking us a question. And perhaps if you can go back and ask the question again just so we have it in context -- >> Yeah. Sure. I was just wondering -- >> -- to get an answer for you, if not, right now. >> Okay. I was wondering if you could help me understand your decision to forgo the judges recommendation on sending time, place, and manner to interclub counsel and to the Office of Student Affairs and sending it instead to the academic Senate. >> I think we'll have to get an answer for you and get back to you with that. >> All right. >> Because I wasn't here at the time and -- >> I know many of the other board members were here [Speaking Simultaneously]. >> I have a ten-second answer, but last time I started to answer, you interrupted me. So -- >> You were telling me about the history. I understood the history of it. >> I didn't want to -- >> Well, let's just take the question and get an answer for you. So I think we've got the question down and then we'll get an answer for you, so. >> Okay. All right. And I should expect that? >> We'll try to get -- well, this is commencement; so you're not going to get it this week. >> Okay. >> But we'll try to get it. >> Thank you for your time. >> [Inaudible] by the time of the next board meeting being, which is July 6. >> All right. >> So thank you for your time. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Nope. That's it. >> Okay. Good. Thank you. The next -- [ Applause ] >> Next, we have is Victor Silva [ Applause ]. [ Pause ] >> Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Since you all have decided to move the student activity fee as an agenda item to July 6, I will surely give a little, what's my opinion, a little bit about today, but I'll also be gone July 6. So I come today as a concerned student, first and foremost, about the student activity fee. The student activity fee not only brings about cultural awareness but global awareness, connecting people to all walks of life. With the events, like Big Gay Prom Feminist coming out today, AB-540 forms and other events [Inaudible], just to name a few. So if you all want your students to become global citizens of the world, you wouldn't give this any other thought but to keep the fee. So just short and simple. Thank you. >> Thank you. [ Applause ] >> Just as a point of clarification, which the rules allow just for the benefit of the students. >> Sure. >> I'd proposed a modification to the policy in it after consulting with Dr. Rocha. We put it at a future meeting. I can't guarantee it's going to be at the July 6 meeting because I personally won't be here at that meeting, but it will be announced publicly when it will be on the agenda so that students are alerted for when it comes back for review. But Dr. Rocha is working with staff to evaluate and develop some recommendations. >> Okay. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to address the board on non-agenda items? Okay. Let's move on then to approval of the consent items. Is there a motion to approve? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Move and seconded it. Are there specific items that anyone has questions about? >> I think we should -- I want to pull the one on the hiring, the P Item. >> Which is? >> 110. >> 110P. >> The request to have 110P dealt with separately. Any other items to be dealt with separately? The motion to approve and seconded. The advisory vote. >> I. >> I. >> Do we have a motion? Did you get the motion? >> Yeah. >> Yes, we have moved and seconded it. >> I didn't hear that. >> I did hear the motion either. >> All in favor say I. >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> Okay. Now, Mr. Baum, do you want 110 taken up separately? >> I just want to give the administration opportunity. We're approving another round of terrific hires for our faculty, and I want to hear a little bit more about them and what we can look forward to in the faculty at PCC. >> I appreciate that Trustee Baum. >> We have under the existing faculty hiring policy, we have I think 21 searches that have been authorized and moving forward and moving forward quickly. Those searches call for two levels of interview and then a final recommendation to me. I've interviewed all the candidates that we've forward as has Vice President Jacobs. I can tell you and, as I informed you, the ones actually -- well, I informed you in closed session of the ones that I'm carrying forward. I would say this. The process is working well and exactly as planned. I think Vice President Jacobs and I can vouch that the appointee so far have been absolutely brilliant and are a diverse of pool of bright new faculty who come in and do wonderful things in teaching and learning with our students. We're going to continue the process in this way. Vice President Jacobs and I are working very, very closely to make sure that the pools, you know, are and all of the compliance issues are scrupulously adhered to. As we complete the appointment recommendations and the appointments, we are working on I think a robust orientation program; that will include a formal presentation of each one of the candidates, an introduction of each one of the candidates to the Board of Trustees. So that's where we are, and. >> And I just want to make a comment too, is that to my understanding, there's no other district that's in a position to be able to do so much hiring and recruit. And the pools I understand are very robust. A lot of people want to come work and teach at PCC. >> Well, I think it's almost in some ways an embarrassment of riches. And President Martinez and Jackie and I were meeting today over just that problem, that we had so many outstanding candidates that we wanted to hire more. So we're working on that issue. But again, thanks to an Lyle we came up with a completely new recruitment method that included the faculty job fair that was wildly successful. As one example, as I think I've related to you, and I think -- is Dean Olivo [Assumed Spelling] here who supervised the counseling. I think -- how many candidates do we have just for the counseling positions? 500 applications just for the three available counseling positions. The search committee did brilliant work. I interviewed all three and they are just absolutely -- will just be absolutely astonishing additions to the faculty. So the process is working well. And we will do a formal introduction of the candidates. And I think Vice President Jacobs and I want you to know that all of the candidates that we will recommend to you will be at this high standard that the faculty has set with this search process. So did I cover it okay, Jackie? >> Yes, you did. >> So I'll move approval of 110P [Inaudible]. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. Any further discussion? Advisory vote. >> I. >> All in favor say I. >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> Closed. Motion carries. The next item on the agenda is Item G, Adoption of Resolution, Number 477, to authorize inter-fund cash borrowing. Discussion with possible action. Dr. Rocha. >> Yes. For this, this is a routine action at this time of the year, but I will turn to Vice President van Pelt who will elaborate and offer the item for your consideration and approval. >> This is essentially an insurance policy for cash flow. But in the event that the state does not provide resources in a timely way that we can meet our obligations both in terms of payroll and vendor payment. And should we have to do an interfund borrow, then the following board meeting, we would report back to the board that we did it. And in any event, we cannot borrow more than 75 percent of the available balance. And primarily, this occurs in two funds, which is the Capital Outlay Fund and the other Post Employment Benefit Fund. >> Any questions of Dr. van Pelt or Dr. Rocha? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. Any further discussion? Advisory vote. >> I. >> All in favor say I. >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> Motion carries. Next item is Item H, board meeting videotaping; pilot program. Discussion with possible action. [ Pause ] >> Mr. Gutierrez [Assumed Spelling] is going to -- is one out there. >> Mark, could you just come to the podium in the event that we need expert testimony. President Thompson in offering this item offered this brief introduction last time. On last time's agenda we had an informative that was prepared by one and staff about the options for videotaping the board meetings. We had previously authorized, or the board had previously authorized a one-year pilot to tape the board meetings, televise them, and that pilot had expired. So one had laid out a document that looks very much like this, and we had an excellent discussion that was very, very helpful to me and staff. Based on that and my further consultation with members of the board, I asked one to update the information, first of all. There is some updated information here. And then we reviewed it. And you'll see at the end of this there are the three options that we're presenting to the board, and there's one option from the staff and my perspective is the preferred option. So I think all the information is in front of you, and one stands at the ready. And so I give it to you President Thompson for discussion and possible action. >> Anything to add to that Mr. Gutierrez? >> Just one clarification, a change from the last proposal to the one you have in front of you. In speaking with the Granicus rep, they had misquoted the monthly fee for Granicus. It was at 550. It's actually 745. So that raised the cost a little bit and it's reflected in the new numbers. >> So that's in the number of Option Two. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I'd like to move the administration's recommendation. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Moved and seconded. Dr. Mann. >> Well, actually, there's a fourth option which I would like to see here, which is not to continue the videotaping. There are at least two board members, I think, who -- that would be the option. And so the board says all options. I think that's incomplete. So there is a option for which -- is to take this money and do something else with it. >> Mr. President. >> Yes. Clarity. If this motion that was presented fails and there's no other motion, then that would, in essence, be what Dr. Mann suggested, the fourth option of discontinuing the board broadcasting; is that not correct? >> That is correct. Yes. All right. [ Pause ] >> Mr. Baum. >> I appreciate the research that the administration has done. We've had this conversation year after year, and I don't know where the rest of the board stands, but I strongly feel that we should make the proceedings and the governance of this district as transparent and as accessible as possible to the broadest range of the public as possible; and now would not be the time to actually limit public outreach and public access. This now is the time to actually use every tool we have. And I really appreciate the administration's work. It seems like a very cost effective way to do that. That's all. That's my point. But I've made that before. >> Ms. Wah. >> You know, I'm kind of ambivalent about this. But, you know, there's a really good article out on the Internet. If you want to read it, it's called, Transparency versus Circus. So it's sort of the pros and cons of doing videotaping and making public, the public hearings and the meetings. But, you know, after reading it, you know, I do worry that -- and I've seen where videotaping public meetings sometimes results in some undesirable behavior, I guess. And, you know, we haven't seen any of that I think here; so that's good. But I also kind of question, you know, the cost. So it's not a lot, but $30,000 could buy a lot of microscopes. So, you know, when I hear that sometimes the kids don't have the equipment they need, you know, kind of concerns me. But I also agree that it is our responsibility to be as transparent as possible. And while that transparency could be provided in a lot of different ways, and I think when you look at the statistics, you know, it shows that people are actually -- twice as many people or twice as many accesses to documents versus the total number to the visual and the audio, then I certainly think well, you know, maybe people do want the information, but the way we're providing it is not very good. I think we've talked about how maybe the visual media that we're providing isn't very good. So I guess what I would say is, you know, I don't like the expense if we're not really providing access in a way people need it. But I think it could be worth trying to maybe do an option that provides the streaming, because right now we don't have streaming capability. And so the video's very difficult to watch without the streaming and the searchability. So I think it's something for us to maybe consider in terms of transparency. >> Dr. Fellow. >> Yeah, I'm certainly all for transparency. But can you correct me. Probably Mr. van Pelt or you can correct me. I've heard the average number of minutes that people watch a board meeting is five minutes, and that maybe nine people watch the cable. Is that -- >> Well, for cable access, there's no way to actually determine how many people watch that. The board of meeting is transmitted on Pasadena, Altadena through PCCTV and then the surrounding cities as well, and that's shown whenever those government channels have the opportunity to show them. As far as the average viewing time of the video, Google Analytics did say that the 1500 and so views that we've gotten, that I shared with you last meeting, the average time is five minutes. Now, that can mean a whole host of things that maybe they're frustrated with the load time, or maybe it's something that they just fast forwarded to where they wanted to go if they have a very fast computer. So there's a few reasons for that, but yes, it's about five minutes. >> Dr. Rocha if the money is not spent on this, are there limits as what the money could be spent on? Or what are the facts with respect to that? >> Well, I think this is general fund money that we're using; so it is, so to speak, fund dribble. Fund dribble means that it can be moved, you know, to any purpose that the board approves. But as a practical matter, that savings at any part of a budget, okay, and we accrue savings almost daily. For example, when an employee leaves in the middle of the year, for example, and so that salary has been budgeted but has not obviously been spent out, that money doesn't come to you as an action, but it flows directly to the balance sheet, if you will, for that current year. So it would be -- it is not the normal way as I understand it of budgeting procedure, to take items of savings that are occurring in the college almost 24 hours a day, 365 days a week that flow to the bottom line and then pull those items out; because everything that exists in the college in a given year has already been approved under adopted budget at the beginning of the year. Certainly, it is at the discretion of the board when it sees the total balance exclusive of deferrals, I might add, because the previous item that was on the agenda, the interfund borrowing; that used to not exist before the state didn't send us any money, you know, so much of the money that our so-called balance is held so that we can make payroll throughout the year since the state has us on many deferrals. So it is possible, to answer your question President Thompson, to not take this money and spend it on something else. But if we decide not to spend the money, the money will flow down to the bottom line, so to speak. And then in next year's budget, the board would not say oh, what happened to that $30,000, but the board would make a holistic adoption for a budget on everything from A to Z. >> Mr. [Inaudible]. >> I just want to make one point in response to the point that Miss Wah [Inaudible]. I'm speaking only from my own anecdotal observation. I actually believe that the presence of cameras is actually improved the quality of discourse here. My sense was before there were cameras, there would be a lot of folks who would come to the table and make very kind of -- not a lot. There were occasional folks that would come to make all kinds of accusations or unsubstantiated allegations from the podium. And now that they've been recorded I think that, that provides an incentive to say wait, you're being recorded. You have to be held accountable for what you say from that podium. And I think that, that has actually improved the quality of discourse at the meetings. >> Dr. Mann. >> Well, I'm just repeating what I said at previous meetings. But actually, if you look at these Google Analytic Statistics, unique viewers means 571 people actually viewed the audio, the board video, or the audio cast; is that not correct? That means 571 different people, not 2200, but -- >> The 500 -- I'm sorry. The 571 unique viewers in that slide actually talk about unique listeners to the audio cast only. >> Well, that's the audio cast only? >> Yes. >> Okay. So some people listened more than once. We don't know the people looking at the board viewers, how many people went back more than once. >> Viewers, no. >> Okay. So my point still, is this is a very, very small number of people. And secondly, I have figured out how to get, you know, the cable TV, but I can't figure out how to get the board. But what I find is broadcast of programs that says 2007. The first time I turned it on our former President Dr. Profermo [Phonetic] was giving an address. So I -- and I don't -- I think -- I personally think this is a waste of money. I think the audio cast is fine. The other thing, I think if we're talking about transparency, we should make it so that you can find it. Because if you want to watch a videocast or listen to it and you go on the PCC Website, there's not a place that I can find that says click here to see it. You have to go through -- I think Ms. Wah pointed that out last time. You have to go through this elaborate procedure. So to say that we're being transparent with this is not exactly accurate. >> Ms. Wah -- or Ms. Brown. Excuse me. >> Ms. Brown, yeah. >> Belinda. >> Well, I do believe that we owe it to our constituents. If it's five, if it's twenty, or if it's one, it only take one person to make -- to file, you know, suit saying that PCC is not transparent. It doesn't take that money individuals. So I think initially when we started this dialogue, it was because there were complaints and we all jumped at it and said let's pacify the folks, if it was one, two, or three. I think we should do what is the right thing to do. $30,000, we could do a lot of things with or maybe not. But the fact still remains that transparency is important, and we need to betterize them, cross our T's. And that's my take on that. >> Mr. Soto, do you have your hand up? >> Thank you. I think there's something to be said about transparency and having these videos available online where everyone has access to them. There seems to be problems with the cable broadcast, and perhaps they're out of date, but having them accessible to the public so that they can go reach them at any point in time I think is a good service to have. I think if this is going to be done, the option which we're going with is, I believe, with the Granicus option. Correct, Dr. Rocha? I think if it's going to be done, it might as well be done with Granicus option so that there can be some viewing of it so that people don't have to sit through the whole meeting and watch it, maybe that is why they're only going five minutes because they can't find what they want. And I'll say too, if ultimately that this fails, I would hope that this board would reconsider that, the amount of money, and try to ensure that, that money gets used in a productive way. But like I said, I think there's something to be said about transparency and being able to say we are trying to put our information out there and what we do out there to those that we serve in the community. >> Mr. Martin. >> First, point of clarity, is that Option Two that the motion -- >> Yeah. I recommended it. >> Okay. I somehow missed that. So I appreciate that. I'm going to be very brief and try to -- I was trying to refrain from commenting too much, and I'm certainly going to try to refrain from getting passionate about it. First, humorously, when I got home last time after our board meeting, lo and behold, my son was studying for his PCC math test with a tutor watching YouTube. And I thought that was very humorous after our last discussion. We heard from Dr. Rocha and I can succinctly say that if this motion fails, there's 44,465 extra dollars free in the 11-12 budget that we can do anything with. And I, for one, would like to see that go directly to fund an additional class component, either one more English 1A class or more online education in some ways. But that being said, even if it were not to go to what I'd like to see, which are more classes, we're doing this for two reasons. One, the broadcast gives us what we believe is transparency and some kind of historical way to show what happened in these meetings. I think we all agree the audio cast certainly handles every word. It's very clear. It is a great record and it's extremely cost effective. So I feel that, that component of the historical record being preserved in a capacity to be quickly reviewed is handled by the audio cast. So then we come down to what extra benefit does the video portion of the feed provide, that the audio portion of the feed that we're already doing, is virtually nothing, is not providing. When you look like me, you'd call that nothing because of the way I look. And I can see why maybe some of the more better looking members of the board would think differently. But the truth of it is, if we really want to spend $44,000 to better engage our community in an effort of transparency, where we already have the audio cast in place, I can think of a lot of other ways that will have a lot more touch, a lot more interaction, a lot more benefit in pulling the community into what is happening at PCC. I get hundreds of comments from our quarterly that goes out and explains things that are happening. So I think there are better ways to put a face or an interaction with the committee. I think our public meetings out in communities, where we've engaged principals at the local high schools directly, had counselors from local high schools sitting and interacting in the meeting has been a tremendous transparency and engagement, and it didn't cost us an English 1A class or anything else. So I'll keep it short there. I just think the historical part is handled brilliantly by the audio cast and that the community part could be better handled for that amount of money than in the video. And finally, I, for one, would prefer this in some way to become an academic enhancement to the 11-12 budget. >> Well, certainly, the meetings we've had in different parts of the area I think have been very effective, very helpful, and very much appreciated. I don't see that as a substitute for making our broadcast available publicly. I can't think of anybody who goes home at night and turns on the radio, unless you're putting on music to go to sleep. You just aren't going to listen to this on an audio cast. Yes, historically, it captures what's been said and all that but it doesn't -- >> If that were your goal, the videoing would actually be more effective. >> Yeah, go right to sleep. >> I'm sorry. I shouldn't have -- [ Background Discussions ] >> Okay. As I was attempting to say here, I think there are -- I mean, I cannot imagine, when I first joined this board four years ago, I was just very surprised to see that the meetings were not telecast. I mean, that's just the way that I think basically every local public agency, at least city councils, et cetera, do business. It's just a part of the practice of having meetings, and I think that's really important. It's important I believe to make available to the public not only what we're doing at PCC but the challenges we face in education, the challenges that the nation faces as an education, the money, the state's budget, the mess that this puts us in. So I would be in favor of Option Two, the Granicus addition. Let's try it for a year and see what happens. But I don't think that we would be well-served by doing nothing and dropping this in its entirety. So anything else? >> Call for the question. >> Mr. Soto, I think you wanted to say one thing first. >> I just had one question for Mr. Gutierrez. Would it be possible to actually -- is there any way that we can get maybe perhaps unique viewership of the online streaming if this goes through? Or is that not -- >> Are you talking about live streaming? Or? >> Just is there any way to get the unique viewership of people that watch the actual video online, not just the audio cast? >> When I first presented last board meeting, we weren't able to get that to go to Analytics but we can try again and see if we can get that viewership, yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. Question called for. Advisory vote. >> I. >> All in favor say I. >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> I think we better do that audibly. >> Let's raise hands. >> Or raise hands. One of the two. All in favor say I. >> [Multiple Voices] I. >> Okay. One, two, three, four, five. All opposed. >> No. >> Motion carries. Five to two. So. Okay. >> I think we're close to the end of our agenda for the evening. We have -- here's your board meeting dates; July 6, July 20, August 3. Have we set a date for retreat yet? >> No, we haven't President [Inaudible]. >> We'll do that -- we were looking at the month of August as a possible time to do that. >> Why don't -- you know, I still haven't polled all the members to see what the best moment would be. So let me do that, and I'll report back on at the next meeting. >> Future agenda items. Anybody have anything to say? >> I won't be here for the July 6 meeting. >> Okay. If nothing further, I think we are adjourned. Thank you very much. [ Silence ]