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| MATH 5A | CALCULUS | 5 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 7B, Math 9, or placement based on the Math assessment process.
Limits and continuity; differentiation and integration of algebraic functions; applications. Total of 90 hours lecture. Transfer Credit: CSU; UC Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#6948 10:00am- 2:10pm F Lecture U314 NGUYEN A
Short Term: 03/31/12-06/16/12
& 8:00am-12:10pm Sat U314 NGUYEN A
#5251 10:30am-12:15pm MWF Lecture R109 UYEKAWA M K
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
& 9:40am-12:20pm TuTh R109 UYEKAWA M K
No. 5251: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 5B | CALCULUS | 5 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 5A or placement based on the Math assessment process.
Differentiation and integration of trigonometric, exponential, logarithmic and hyperbolic functions, techniques of integration, indeterminate forms and infinite series. Total of 90 hours lecture. Transfer Credit: CSU; UC Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#7426 10:30am-12:15pm MWF Lecture E313 MICHEL P L
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
& 9:40am-12:20pm TuTh E313 MICHEL P L
No. 7426: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#5254 10:30am-12:15pm MWF Lecture R109 UYEKAWA M K
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
& 9:40am-12:20pm TuTh R109 UYEKAWA M K
No. 5254: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath #6962 4:00pm- 8:10pm F Lecture R317 ALIKHANYAN T
Short Term: 03/31/12-06/16/12
& 10:00am- 2:10pm Sat R317 ALIKHANYAN T
| MATH 5C | CALCULUS | 5 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 5B or placement based on the Math assessment process.
Parametric equations, polar coordinates, vectors and vector calculus, partial differentiation, multiple integration, Greens theorem, divergence theorem of Gauss, Stokes theorem. Total of 90 hours lecture. Transfer Credit: CSU; UC Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#4614 10:30am-12:15pm MWF Lecture E313 MICHEL P L
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
& 9:40am-12:20pm TuTh E313 MICHEL P L
No. 4614: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#7599 1:20pm- 4:00pm MTuThF Lecture R318 SOCRATES J
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 7599: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 7A | MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS 1 | 4 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 139 and one of the following: Math 131 or Math 133B or Math 134B; or placement based on the Math assessment process.
Algebraic, exponential, logarithmic and trigonometric functions; inverses of functions; equations and inequalities involving transcendental functions; zeros of polynomials; graphing techniques; angle measure; mathematical modeling. For mathematics and science majors, but open to all qualified students. No credit if taken after Math 9. Total of 90 hours lecture. Transfer Credit: CSU; UC credit under review. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#4436 7:00am- 9:40am TuWThF Lecture R104 VALENTINE J
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 4436: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#4352 6:40pm- 9:20pm MTuWTh Lecture R209 HENES M
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/12/12
No. 4352: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 7B | MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS 2 | 4 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 7A
Trigonometric Identities and Equations, Solutions of Triangles, Polar Coordinates, Conic Sections, Parametric Equations, Sequences and Series, Mathematical induction, solutions to linear and non-linear systems, vectors and their applications. For mathematics and science majors, but open to all qualified students. Total of 90 hours lecture. No credit if taken after Math 9. Transfer Credit: CSU; UC credit under review. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#6600 7:00am- 9:40am TuWThF Lecture R104 VALENTINE J
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
No. 6600: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#5246 6:40pm- 9:20pm MTuWTh Lecture R209 HENES M
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/14/12
No. 5246: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 10 | LINEAR ALGEBRA AND APPLICATIONS | 5 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 5B.
Vector spaces, linear transformations, determinants, solutions of systems of equations, algebra of matrices. Total of 90 hours lecture. Transfer Credit: CSU, UC Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#5963 1:20pm- 4:00pm MTuThF Lecture R318 SOCRATES J
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
No. 5963: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 125 | BEGINNING ALGEBRA | 4 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 402 or 400B, or placement based on the Math assessment process.
Simplifying linear, polynomial, rational, and radical expressions. Using properties of exponents. Factoring polynomials. Applications and solving of linear, rational, radical, and quadratic equations. Graphing linear equations and solving systems of linear equations. Maximum credit for Math 125, 127AB, and 128AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 127B or Math 128B. Total of 90 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#5637 9:40am-12:20pm TuWThF Lecture R316 MC CLENDON M
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
No. 5637: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath .
#5960 9:40am-12:20pm TuWThF Lecture R320 NORDSTROM D
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
No. 5960: This class is part of the Math Path progam. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath.
#5442 10:30am-12:15pm MWF Lecture R117 CHANG Y
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
& 9:40am-12:20pm TuTh R117 CHANG Y
No. 5442: This class is part of the Math Path progam. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath.
#6455 1:20pm- 4:00pm TuWThF Lecture R209 HENES M
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 6455: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 128A | BEGINNING ALGEBRA I | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 402 or Math 400B, or placement based on the Math assessment process.
A computer-assisted beginning algebra course. To satisfy the Beginning Algebra requirement, students must complete Math 128A and Math 128B. Topics include: simplifying linear and polynomial expressions; using properties of exponents; applications and solving linear equations; graphing linear equations and solving systems of linear equations. Maximum credit for Math 125, 127AB, and 128AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 125 or Math 128A. Total of 45 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
Mediated Learning Math128AB: Additional hours may be
required online for completion of assignments. A non-
transferable and non-refundable computer license fee
receipt from the PCC Bookstore for the current semester is
required.
#7632 TBA Lecture R408 YAMATO Y
5.6 Hours TBA per week
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
& TBA R408 YAMATO Y
No. 7632: This section of Math 128A is intended for students who have previously completed Math 128A, but did not receive a passing grade. #4017 8:45am- 9:45am MWF Lecture R404 ABDELKERIM R
Short Term: 02/22/12-04/13/12
& 9:45am-10:30am MWF R408 ABDELKERIM R
#4252 1:20pm- 4:00pm MTuThF Lecture R408 YAMATO Y
Short Term: 02/21/12-03/16/12
No: 4252, 4265, 4275 and 4288 are PAIRED sections. Permission to enroll in these sections must be obtained from the course coordinators, Ms. McClendon or Ms. Yamato or Math Division Dean. Officially enrolled students are required to attend a mandatory meeting on February 15 in R408 from 1:20-4pm. Purchase the Hawkes Learning Systems' Introductory and Intermediate Algebra computer license from the PCC Bookstore prior to attending the meeting on February 15. #4173 4:45pm- 6:15pm MW Lecture R404 STARBIRD C
Short Term: 02/22/12-04/11/12
& 6:15pm- 7:25pm MW R408 STARBIRD C
| MATH 128B | BEGINNING ALGEBRA II | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 128A or Math 127A.
A computer-assisted beginning algebra course. To satisfy the Beginning Algebra requirement, students must complete Math 128A and Math 128B. Topics include: simplifying rational and radical expressions; factoring polynomials; applications and solving rational, radical, and quadratic equations. Maximum credit for Math 125, 127AB, and 128AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 125, or 127B. Total of 45 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
Math 128B requires a minimum grade of C in the preceding
course in this sequence.
#7636 TBA LecLab R408 YAMATO Y
5.6 Hours TBA per week
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
& TBA R408 YAMATO Y
No. 7636: This section of Math 128B is intended for students who have previously completed Math 128B, but did not receive a passing grade. #4050 8:45am- 9:45am MWF LecLab R404 ABDELKERIM R
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
& 9:45am-10:30am MWF R408 ABDELKERIM R
#4265 1:20pm- 4:00pm MTuThF LecLab R408 MC CLENDON M
Short Term: 03/19/12-04/13/12
No: 4265, 4252, 4275 and 4288 are PAIRED sections. Permission to enroll in these sections must be obtained from the course coordinators, Ms. McClendon or Ms. Yamato or Math Division Dean. Officially enrolled students are required to attend a mandatory meeting on February 15 in R408 from 1:20-4pm. Purchase the Hawkes Learning Systems' Introductory and Intermediate Algebra computer license from the PCC Bookstore prior to attending the meeting on February 15. #4185 4:45pm- 6:15pm MW LecLab R404 STARBIRD C
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/13/12
& 6:15pm- 7:25pm MW R408 STARBIRD C
| MATH 131 | INTERMEDIATE ALGEBRA | 4 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 125 or Math 127B or Math 128B or placement based on the Math assessment process.
Solving nonlinear equations such as rational, radical, exponential and logarithmic equations. Applications of nonlinear equations. Operations on and graphs of functions. Maximum credit for Math 131, 133AB, and 134AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 133B or 134B. Total of 90 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#5069 10:30am-12:15pm MWF Lecture R117 CHANG Y
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
& 9:40am-12:20pm TuTh R117 CHANG Y
No. 5069: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#6449 1:20pm- 4:00pm TuWThF Lecture R209 HENES M
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
No. 6449: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 134A | INTERMEDIATE ALGEBRA I | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 125 or Math 127B or Math 128B or placement based on the Math assessment process.
A computer-assisted intermediate algebra course. Linear and absolute value equations and inequalities, factoring, rational expressions and applications, operations on and graphs of functions. Maximum credit for Math 131, 133AB, and 134AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 131 or Math 133B. Total of 45 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
Mediated Learning Math 134AB: Additional hours may be
required online for completion of assignments. A non-
transferable and non-refundable computer license fee
receipt from the PCC Bookstore for the current semester is
required.
#7638 TBA Lecture R408 YAMATO Y
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
No. 7638: This section of Math 134A is intended for students who have previously completed Math 134A, but did not receive a passing grade. #7637 8:20am- 9:50am TuTh Lecture R404 COURTER R
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/12/12
& 9:50am-11:00am TuTh R408 COURTER R
#4275 1:20pm- 4:00pm MTuThF Lecture R408 MC CLENDON M
Short Term: 04/23/12-05/18/12
No: 4275, 4252, 4265 and 4288 are PAIRED sections. Permission to enroll in these sections must be obtained from the course coordinators, Ms. McClendon or Ms. Yamato or Math Division Dean. Officially enrolled students are required to attend a mandatory meeting on February 15 in R408 from 1:20-4pm. Purchase the Hawkes Learning Systems' Introductory and Intermediate Algebra computer license from the PCC Bookstore prior to attending the meeting on February 15. #6010 1:20pm- 4:00pm M Lecture R404 TALAOC S
Short Term: 02/22/12-04/11/12
& 1:20pm- 4:00pm W R408 TALAOC S
#4200 4:00pm- 5:30pm TuTh Lecture R404 ESTRADA-CEBA
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/12/12
& 5:30pm- 6:40pm TuTh R408 ESTRADA-CEBA
| MATH 134B | INTERMEDIATE ALGEBRA II | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 133A or Math 134A.
A computer-assisted intermediate algebra course. Radical expressions and applications, completing the square, exponential and logarithmic functions and applications, complex numbers. Maximum credit for Math 131, 133AB, and 134AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 131 or Math 133B. Total of 45 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
Math 134B requires a minimum grade of C in the preceding
course in this sequence.
#7640 TBA Lecture R408 YAMATO Y
5.6 Hours TBA per week
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 7640: This section of Math 134B is intended for students who have previously completed Math 134B, but did not receive a passing grade. #7639 8:20am- 9:50am TuTh Lecture R404 COURTER R
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/14/12
& 9:50am-11:00am TuTh R408 COURTER R
#4288 1:20pm- 4:00pm MTuThF Lecture R408 MC CLENDON M
Short Term: 05/21/12-06/15/12
No: 4288, 4252, 4265 and 4275 are PAIRED sections. Permission to enroll in these sections must be obtained from the course coordinators, Ms. McClendon or Ms. Yamato or Math Division Dean. Officially enrolled students are required to attend a mandatory meeting on February 15 in R408 from 1:20-4pm. Purchase the Hawkes Learning Systems' Introductory and Intermediate Algebra computer license from the PCC Bookstore prior to attending the meeting on February 15. #6011 1:20pm- 4:00pm M Lecture R404 TALAOC S
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/13/12
& 1:20pm- 4:00pm W R408 TALAOC S
#4203 4:00pm- 5:30pm TuTh Lecture R404 ESTRADA-CEBA
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/14/12
& 5:30pm- 6:40pm TuTh R408 ESTRADA-CEBA
| MATH 330 | SKILLS FOR COLLEGE SUCCESS IN ELEMENTARY ALGEBRA | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): None.
Corequisite(s): Math 125.
Recommended Preparation: None.
Development and rigorous practice of essential study techniques and course material for success in Elementary Algebra. Integration of web-based supplemental instruction, life management skills, strategies for successful classroom experience, and critical thinking/problem solving strategies. No credit if taken after Math 110. For students admitted to the Math Path program but open to all qualified students. Maximum credit 6 units. Credit/no credit grading. Total of 45 hours lecture. Grading: Pass/No Pass Only
#4061 8:20am- 9:40am TuWThF Lecture R320 NORDSTROM D
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
No. 4061: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#5272 8:45am-10:30am MWF Lecture R117 CHANG Y
Short Term: 02/22/12-04/13/12
No. 5272: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#4338 11:00am-12:20pm TuWThF Lecture R209 VALENTINE J
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 4338: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#6451 1:00pm- 2:05pm TuWThF Lecture R404 DAVIS A
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
& 2:05pm- 2:20pm TuWThF R404 DAVIS A
No. 6451: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 331 | SKILLS FOR COLLEGE SUCCESS IN INTERMEDIATE ALGEBRA | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): None.
Corequisite(s): Math 131.
Development and rigorous practice of essential study techniques and course material for success in Intermediate Algebra. Integration of web-based supplemental instruction, life management skills, strategies for successful classroom experience, and critical thinking/problem solving strategies. No credit if taken after Math 110. For students admitted to the Math Path program but open to all qualified students. Maximum credit 6 units. Credit/no credit grading. Total of 45 hours of lecture. Grading: Pass/No Pass Only
#4891 8:45am-10:30am MWF Lecture R117 CHANG Y
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
No. 4891: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#6453 11:00am-12:20pm TuWThF Lecture R209 VALENTINE J
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
No. 6453: This class is part of the Math Path Program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 400A | PREALGEBRA I | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 450, or placement based on the Math assessment process.
An individualized computer-based program in prealgebra; basic algebraic skills involving fundamental mathematical operations with integers, fractions, decimals, and percents. Simplifying algebraic expressions and solving equations. Maximum credit for Math 402, 401ABC, and 400AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 402, 401B, 401C, or 400B. Math 400A and Math 400B are 2 units each with a total of 45 hours lecture per semester. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
Mediated Learning Math 400AB: Additional hours may be
required for completion of assignments. A non-transferable
and non-refundable Hawkes Learning Systems'computer license
fee receipt from the PCC Bookstore for the current semester
is required.
#4041 TBA Lecture R408 YAMATO Y
5.6 Hours TBA per week
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
No. 4041: This section of Math 400A is intended for students who have previously completed Math 400A but did not receive a passing grade. #4009 10:30am-12:15pm M Lecture R404 ESTRADA-CEBA
Short Term: 02/22/12-04/13/12
& 10:30am-12:15pm W R408 ESTRADA-CEBA
& 10:30am-12:15pm F R402 ESTRADA-CEBA
#4013 10:30am-12:15pm TuTh Lecture R404 CORSON L
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
& 10:30am-12:15pm F R408 CORSON L
| MATH 400B | PREALGEBRA II | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 400A.
An individualized computer-based program in basic algebraic skills involving fundamental mathematical operations with integers, fractions, decimals, and percents. Simplifying algebraic expressions and solving equations. Maximum credit for Math 402, 401ABC, and 400AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 402, 401C, or 400B. Math 400A and Math 400B are 2 units each with a total of 45 hours lecture per semester. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
Math 400B requires a minimum grade of C in the
preceding course in this sequence.
#4065 TBA Lecture R408 YAMATO Y
5.6 Hours TBA per week
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 4065: This section of Math 400B is intended for students who have previously completed Math 400B but did not receive a passing grade. #4042 10:30am-12:15pm M Lecture R404 ESTRADA-CEBA
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
& 10:30am-12:15pm W R408 ESTRADA-CEBA
& 10:30am-12:15pm F R402 ESTRADA-CEBA
#4052 10:30am-12:15pm TuTh Lecture R404 CORSON L
Short Term: 04/24/12-06/15/12
& 10:30am-12:15pm F R408 CORSON L
| MATH 402 | PREALGEBRA | 4 Units |
Prerequisite(s): Math 450, or placement based on the Math assessment process.
Basic algebraic skills involving fundamental mathematical operations with integers, fractions, decimals, and percents. Simplifying algebraic expressions and solving equations. Maximum credit for Math 402 and 400AB is 4 units. No credit if taken after Math 400B. Total of 90 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade or Pass/No Pass
#6443 9:40am-12:20pm TuWThF Lecture R316 MC CLENDON M
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 6443: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#7227 9:40am-12:20pm TuWThF Lecture R320 NORDSTROM D
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 7227: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#5262 4:50pm- 6:35pm MWF Lecture R321 TALAOC S
Short Term: 04/23/12-06/15/12
& 4:00pm- 6:40pm TuTh R321 TALAOC S
No. 5262: Math 450, Math 402, and COUN 12 are linked courses and part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath. STUDENTS MUST REGISTER FOR ALL THREE SECTIONS: #4662, #5262 AND #4408.
| MATH 429 | SKILLS FOR SUCCESS IN PREALGEBRA | 2 Units |
Prerequisite(s): None.
Corequisite(s): Math 402.
Recommended Preparation: None.
Development and rigorous practice of essential study techniques and course material for success in Prealgebra; web-based supplemental instruction; life management skills; strategies for successful classroom experience, and critical thinking/problem solving strategies. No credit if taken after Math 110. Maximum credit 6 units, 2 units each semester. Pass/no pass grading. Total of 45 hours lecture. Grading: Pass/No Pass Only
#4340 8:20am- 9:40am TuWThF Lecture R320 NORDSTROM D
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
No. 4340: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
#4342 1:00pm- 2:05pm TuWThF Lecture R404 DAVIS A
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
& 2:05pm- 2:20pm TuWThF R404 DAVIS A
No. 4342: This class is part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath
| MATH 450 | NUMERICAL FOUNDATIONS | 4 Units |
Building whole number arithmetic skills. Includes a brief introduction to fractions, decimals and percents and incorporates study skills for success in mathematics courses. Total of 90 hours lecture. Grading: Letter Grade Only
#4662 4:50pm- 6:35pm MWF Lecture R321 TALAOC S
Short Term: 02/21/12-04/13/12
& 4:00pm- 6:40pm TuTh R321 TALAOC S
No. 4662: Math 450, Math 402, and COUN 12 are linked courses and part of the Math Path program. For information about the program and how to enroll in this course, please visit: www.pasadena.edu/mathpath. STUDENTS MUST REGISTER FOR ALL THREE SECTIONS: #4662, #5262 AND #4408.